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// Dec 19, 2012 at 12:07 pm
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// Aug 17, 2012 at 7:02 am
Do carriage horses in New York City get injured more often than in other places? Has any research been done? When horses are banned from the streets, will they run free over the fields? Is a inhumane treadment for horses also unfair to horses? When a horse dies on Broadway, it will sureley get more attention from bystanders and press than on a farm, where most of them die.
Rina Deych, RN
// Jan 2, 2012 at 7:41 am
Kudos to Donny Moss for a brilliant exposé of this barbaric, outdated, cruel industry. Horse-drawn carriages need to banned, period.
// Dec 21, 2011 at 8:38 pm
No possible compromise? Why can’t we simply isolate the horses and stables to Central Park, without subjecting them to NYC traffic? The park is a more natural, albeit man-made, environment. I mean there’s already a zoo in there, what’s the big deal to add some stables?
// Dec 11, 2011 at 6:57 am
To those that want to see the horse drawn carriage industry banned, I say, please don’t be put off by those saying “let’s put things in perspective…”, drawing attention to the much worse animal abuses going on. Yes, ofcourse there are and will continue to be much worse abuses perpetrated against our brothers and sisters…but there are people fighting their corner too, believe me. Do we turn our backs on child prostitution and slavery because there are more deserving cases such as paedophilia going on? No, ofcourse not. No logic there at all. Exactly the same should apply to the animals.
// Nov 19, 2011 at 12:59 pm
That was th most stupid thing Ive ever seen!
// Nov 15, 2011 at 12:49 am
Keep up the good work. More horses are needed at the slaughter house. Darn carriage businesses are cutting into profits. If you can get them banned, more horses will be available for slaughter and their meat harvested. One note of interest, stop hitting the horses and killing them on the street. The law requires that the animal walk across the scale on its own for meat consumption. They can’t do that when their dead. Again, thank you for supporting the slaughter houses by pushing to ban animals.
// Jan 12, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Many valid points made pro and con. I don’t know if the horses in the video were abused or not. Animals get abused in the country as well. My hope is that at some point in time that an abuser will get his just reward. I would like to see the horses in their environment doing their work in the country.
// Aug 17, 2010 at 8:12 pm
We have this in Philadelphia too. It’s cruel and dangerous. I can’t believe anything thinks it’s okay to hitch a horse to a carriage in an urban area. It’s ludicrous.
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// Jun 16, 2010 at 9:01 am
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// May 14, 2010 at 11:38 am
the fight continues. nothing has changed thanks to slush fund Christine Quinn
// Dec 19, 2009 at 2:31 am
What is the CURRENT status of this issue? I see that the posting started in Nov 2007. What has happened since then? Is this old news, as far as NYC? Has this abuse been banned? Someone, must know. Please post what is currently happening, and where to take action.
// Nov 30, 2009 at 7:26 pm
I believe that this movie is a real eye opener. I hope that enough people see it so that something can be done to help these poor horses that CAN’T help themselves. Just to look in the eyes of these horses and see their spirits broken is just pittyful. Everyone of these horses deserve a great big lush green pasture to run free in. PLEASE STOP THE CRUELTY. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON THESE POOR HORSES BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE SOME HUMANS WON’T! I’ll say a prayer for all of you horses out there that pull those heavy carriages every day. May you one day get to run free across that big lush green pasture and get to drink good clean water.
// Oct 6, 2009 at 6:45 am
How sad for these poor helpless horses,they look so unhappy.Like their spirit is broken.They need help to stop this awful life style.
// Sep 7, 2009 at 1:36 am
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// May 28, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Thank god you have made this movie!
I ride horses three times a week and i actually see and witness the animal cruelty in many ways, I see horses who are given the wrong feed, therefore not giving them the proper energy to work. I have seen the horses who are lame and still working. I have seen the horses who have shoes about to FALL OFF AND STILL WORKING!!
I have seen small horses pulling fat tourists around, I have seen old horses who are really about 30 years old pulling a carriage.
I have seen horses who are so angry with their situation that they then become vicious and the drivers have to ask that the tourists not touch the horses face!
I tell these people straight up, to their faces what the hell is wrong with them.
I am doing a community service awareness project and will be referencing and citing this short documentary.
Thank you for making it so that we can properly address the situation!
// May 25, 2009 at 4:26 pm
I do some volunteer work at a rescue stable for abused and neglected horses. We rescued a standardbred who had spent the majority of his life pulling carriages in the city and when he was too weak to be of use they threw his life away and sent him to slaughter. He’s still a bit underweight and has a deep hairless grove on his nose from his harness being too tight and left on for too long. He’s such a sweet boy and it’s shocking to see the abuse he had endured.
// Mar 24, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Wow – It’s amazing how many of you PETArds will watch only one side of something and then jump on the bandwagon to ban it. How many of you actually know that the horses have another place of residence OUTSIDE of the city – in fields and barns? Looks like NONE of you. How many of you know that horses shouldn’t always be allowed to drink water, esp after being worked or hot (as that WOULD end up killing them)? Once again – it looks like NONE of you. Here’s another question, how many people are run over by cars in the city? How many of those messenger biker people get into or cause accidents? Why don’t we just BAN CARS? Or even better, BAN the STUPID humans? Get a freakin clue and do your homework!!!
// Mar 4, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Ahh.. That upper west side stable was “Claremont” not a carriage stable and it has since closed –
So much of what you guys think goes on is just your feelings and feelings arent facts.
My Horse stands on 5th avenue and is inspected at least a dozen times any month by a NYC Dept Of Health Veternarian, ASPCA, ASPCA Vet, Consumer Affairs etc.
NOT ONE animal cruelty ticket or violation has EVER been given in regard to a NYC Horse.
You people just do not want a horse working with a carriage period. This is a walt Disney Fantasy world you have created of running free with black beauty.
Any of you ‘animal lovers” like to adopt a few horses, pay for their feed, veterinarian bills, blacksmith bills etc etc…
If so I ask you to go to a Horse sale and see how many are just “weighed” and bought only on this criteria, exported and used as food and glue.
I have 3 horses, 2 in the city at any given time and one on the farm in Lancaster County PA at any given time. They are rotated, and all get a few months each year on the farm. None work 7 days a week and I gladly pay the quarterly vet cisits, vaccinations, and shoeing ( usually 4 to 5 weeks). Actually my horse sees the vet more times a year than i see the doctor, I spend more money on my horses stables fees, vet bills , blacksmith bills, dept of health and Dept of Consumer affairs fees, farm/pasture monthly rent than i do on my own family.. all my horses live well beyond 15 years, none entered the city younger than 4 and none work past 15. Most enjoy 5+ years in retirement.
So much lies, slander and defamation are printed by you nit wits who have no conception of the reality of the situation, but hey, the “organisers” of these campaigns all have ulterior motives and most come to financial gai of some sort. Many genuine animal lovers sentiment however genuine or misguided at times are high jacked by these “bottom feeders” to further their selfish goals.
learn the truth please.
Blinders is so full of biased and twisted representations of the reality I completely dismiss any effect it has or anyone gullible enough to believe this propaganda.
Z List celebs, failed Movie Director wannabes craving their 15 minutes of fame.
you are a sorry misguided bunch.
Also if Pink is such a supporter of letting Horses free… Could she dip into her pockets provide a farm and the monthly income to run a “retirement farm” for horses who genuinely need it? C’mon Pink. Talk is cheap. Get a 100 acre farm with stables and the ancillary services required, pay the veternarians and farriers… and i will direct you to where 100 horse can be bought who unfortunately and sadly are only headed to slaughter.
I, or my beautiful healthy horses do not need your false sympathy. You just crave attention and obviously have not worked out a lot of childhood issues.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP PINK!!!
I will not hold my breath.
I love my horses and they love me.
I do not need you or your ranting opinions.
Most of the “Hardline” protesters can be seen at multiple animal protests in different states.
Craigslist rent a mob for $150 a day.
and bitter bags of bile and rejected spurned spinsters who have never had anyone love them except their multiple overweight cats.
You are a sad and sorry bunch of petards.
You cannot be taken seriously and never will be.
C’mon Pink… How about funding a farm for 100 horses ???
Neither do the ASPCA want to do anything but ride the financial gravy train, more misfits who could not get city jobs and opted for ASPCA Peace Officer status with its Lucrative overtime.
Clock in at 8am. drive by the park at 11:30pm that night ,give a carriage operator a consumer affairs tickets for dim lights, or someother bullcrap technicality… but NEVER for animal abuse and validate your overtime.
(The best scams are always simple in the end)
Follow the money – Where DO your donations go ?
The truth will kill you guys.
think this does not happen?
How about former ASPCA officers Hernandez & Torres who creamed $500,000 in overtime in 3 years before going on the lam.
oh you didn’t know about that one now did you guys.
ask your new york aspca about those 2 fraudsters and racketeers.
ASPCA, PETA ,Coalition to ban horse drawn carriages, Tony Avella( its really about your profile and rezoning on the west side tony, cough,cough, “Studio City”) are all “Rackets” hijacking the sympathy of gullible animal lovers.
tell the full truth if your going to be so vocal, not the selectively cherry picked parts that are then twisted into blatent Lies and covered with a wafer thin veener of we love these horses, we feel so sorry for the horse, “Free the horses’ (but most importantly – send us $$MONEY$$.)
Check out Overtime abuse by ASPCA officers who see their job as a cushy number, and a nice little earner with all the overtime they want.
They are Fraudsters of the highest order.
// Feb 28, 2009 at 10:50 pm
(from Colorado) In reference to Alexia Hutchinson, who commented on 1-30-09 @ 4:17 p.m., there is testimony from the hearing posted on the coalition web site: nycanimals.org You can also read the wording of the bills. You may already know this. Read the testimony from “Barbara F.” She mentions the new barn facility that was built for the police horses and many other things. When I rode that horse in the park back in the mid 70′s I felt really bad having to take him back to his dungeon in the warehouse basement when my ride was over. His name was Eli. I will never forget him. He was a good citizen. Where I live we have zoning laws that prohibit livestock in city limits. Where does NYC get off permitting the housing of livestock in old warehouses smack dab in the middle of the city?? And finally I would like to know what happens to all the manure produced in these stables. I know how much manure comes out of a 12 horse barn here at home per day. Do they pile it up in the alley? Does the city haul it away? Doesn’t this raise some health department concerns? And this is all behind the scenes of the carriage wrecks and dead horses. When are the bills being voted on? Those of you who can, please vote for the ban.
// Feb 28, 2009 at 10:04 am
OK this is f*ck*** messed up!!!!! I listen to marilyn manson and this is just 50 times worse!!!!! IF EVERONE FU***NG KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON THEN THESE HORSES WOULD BE FREE AND HAPPY!!!!!
BAN THIS UNNESSASARY TREATMENT!!!!
AS HUMANS THEN WE HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS! NO MATTER WHAT AGE!
EMAIL ME AT email@example.com AND I WILL SEND THIS TO EVERYONE I KNOW AND IT SHALL BE A CHAIN MAIL, YES, BUT IT WILL SAVE HORSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
// Feb 25, 2009 at 11:16 pm
I am involved in the Draft horse driving, i show them. I have also spent time driving draft horses in traffic and crows of solid people. I have also been involved in a few wrecks involving horses, and every one i have been involved in or seen has been result of stupid people. Horses do not run for no reason, and they dont create their own reasons. Saying that we should ban carriage horses is just as logical as banning cars. its not the car that causes the accident, its the person behind the wheel that is not paying attention. the same goes for the horses, and horses are even safer, becuase they are not going to intentionally run themselves into something, they have brains, think for themselves, and at times i wonder if they are smarter than some of the dumb asses that drive them. The shot of a man driving while reading the paper, the horse would be better off having no driver. The shot where the cab almost runs into the horse, thats the cabies fault for not obeying right of way, horses have right of way, i dont care who you are, you stop and let the damn horse go. I would support a ban of stupid drivers before i would support a ban of carriage horses.
// Feb 25, 2009 at 9:10 pm
i have a strong dislike for horses, but this is disgusting. really, i think walking down a road is more romantic than having an abused horse pull us down it.
it’s just horrible. really, if that was you would you want to pull people for days? get underfed and beaten? i don’t think so.
think about their feelings.
// Feb 16, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I’m a horse person in Colorado and happened to visit NYC in the mid 70′s. On a friend’s suggestion I went to the upper west side to a “stable” to rent a horse to ride in Central Park. At the time I thought this was pretty grim. The “stable” was an old warehouse. The livery horses were kept in the basement, and privately owned horses got to live upstairs, going either up or down on the ramps as were shown in the film. I had no idea what was going on with the carriage horses then but it seemed to me that they were only in the park, so I don’t know when this changed. Riding a horse from the warehouse through 2 blocks of city traffic to get to the park was scary enough to me but the horse took it all in stride, and my ride in the park was very nice. When I saw this film the warehouse stable didn’t surprise me particularly, but this is really not a good way to keep horses, and the training of both horses and drivers seems very substandard. It takes years to become a really good horseman. So lets get rid of this mess. If nothing changes, nothing changes.
// Feb 9, 2009 at 9:59 pm
This is terrible!! Let these poor horses go and back to where they belong! No more to horse carriage ever!! NO MORE!
// Feb 8, 2009 at 1:36 am
OH MY GOSH…. what is WRONGwith these damn f**k*** ppl??
// Feb 7, 2009 at 9:12 pm
once again, i ask! What is wrong with YOU people who think that this is humane? Would you take the place of a horse for 1 day? No forget that 1/4 of a day? I THINK NOT!!! Let them go to a good home where they are wanted, loved, and cared for! EVERYONE who has a part in this cruelty should be LOCKED UP!!!!
// Feb 5, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I have always thought that horses belong on a farm, not on the streets of the city, not on concrete roads, but with grass under their hooves.
// Jan 31, 2009 at 3:53 pm
OMGGGGG WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE, CAN’T PPL SEE HOW CRUEL THIS IS, IMAGE YOU BEING HOOK UP TO A CARRIAGE, AND HAVE BLINDERS OVER YOUR EYES AND NOT ENOUGH LEAD TO GET A DRINK OF WATER.WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO HORSE ARE THE SPIRIT OF FREEDOM AND NOW WE AND THEY HAVE NO FREEDOM LEFT, I DON’T WANT TO SEE THEM PUT TO SLEEP BUT GUESS WHAT AT LEAST THIS CRUERTY WILL STOP
BANNNNNNNNNNNN BANNNNNNNNNNNNNN BANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN AND THE NEXT TIME IF YOU OR YOUR FAMILY THINK THIS COOL, OR ROMANTIC THEN THINK AGAIN. SOME OF THE PPL NEED TO FEEL WHAT THESE POOR ANIMALS FEELLLLLLLLL
THIS A APPALLINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
// Jan 30, 2009 at 11:13 pm
As a trainer and rider for over 20 years (and a real, native new york city resident), I will applaud the day my city bans carrage horses.
Many make the argument that these horses would be slaughtered otherwise. This implies that their miserable life now is somehow better than death. I respectfully disagree. The slaughter is inhumane and terrifying…but it’s thankfully transitory. They die, and suffer no more. The life these horses lead now is a lifetime of that terror and inhumanity. I would rather they die quickly than suffer slowly, for years.
Anyone with a modicum of equine education knows that repeated concussion on extremely hard surfaces severly damages joints, and creates a host of problems in the delicate bony structures of the equine hoof.
The carriage drivers are notoriously ignorant of even the most basic equine care, as is evidenced by their asinine practices. I’ve seen them letting hot, overworked horses gulp large amounts of water, whip horses that are obviously sppoked, ect. These drivers don’t know anything of basic horse care. You’d be hard pressed to find one who knew what a normal equine TPR was, or even how to check them. They know nothing of properly ftted tack to prevent rubbing and galling. They are ignornant to the signs, treatment, and prevention of “tying up”. These horses don’t recieve any turnout, as evidenced by the lareg amount of stocked up legs I see.
In all its shocking and appalling to even those who are unfamiliar with the equine world. Imagine how disgraceful, and hearbreakingly sick it is for those of us who have decades of equine experience, both practical and clinical….
Those of us who have invested our lives, and intwined our very worth with the horse…..we are angry and appalled…and hopefully soon we will be vindicated.
// Jan 30, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Today is the day when it went to the town hall! Im not sure what has happened?? Any idea??
After my visit in New York from the 9th Jan – 15th Jan I was compelled to visit numerous websites to find our more about this barbaric cruelty of horses!
I was so upset to see horses working around the busy streets of New York near Saks at 11pm at night ….it disgusted me and made me angry to see these fabulous creatures being abused in this way.
It’s not on and it has to be STOPPED!. Don’t these amazing creatures deserve better? Come rain, snow or shine they are there in the streets of New York and other cities plodding on for tourism! It has to STOP!!
// Jan 25, 2009 at 8:19 pm
this is not the way to keep horses.
they need more space more freedome en can not live in these small boxes.
I’m from holland and i have a horse her name is jessie and if people do such things whit my horse ill go crazy she has her one stable she can run free in the summer she has her own land she is now 16 years and she is beautifull.
horses do not derserve people who tread them as a slave we have cars scooters bycicles use them.
there’s so much cruelty in this world against animals, it must be stopped now
I love animals more than i love people
// Jan 23, 2009 at 11:55 am
this has to be stopped
// Jan 23, 2009 at 11:54 am
i told one of the horse guys who directs the horse that what he was doing was wrong and he yelled at me and cursed at me saying things you couldnt possibly imagine. Even when i tried being nice about it at first, plus i’m only fourteen. He also said theyre better of in the city then in the wild and that in the wild they only live for like 2 years. i looked at him like he was crazy, and i proved him wrong and made him feel stupid and he got even MORE MAD so me and my friends threw are ice cream on him and ran!
// Jan 21, 2009 at 11:53 am
eeeep im 11 years old and this is mortifying ive been feeling sorry for the horses they deserve t be free not in a small cage smaller than my own bathroom.
// Jan 17, 2009 at 8:04 pm
I agree with Brumby – get rid of the toxic cars — and put in a trolley and have bridle paths for the horses and separate lanes for bikers and skaters. But if that is too outrageous to ask, then ban the horse carriages. It is simply way too congested in NYC for this outdated tradition to continue. If they will not be limited to ride exclusively in Central Park, then it should be banned, period. That is my opinion from being a lifelong New Yorker and witnessing the overcrowdedness of NYC. I no longer have any romantic illusions regarding this outdated tradition.
// Dec 28, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Oh please. PETA is so radical that it isn’t even funny. They show a few sensationalist pics and ppl get all upset. What about the responsibility of the auto drivers? And the deplorable conditions the hired hands put up with and the abuse they are subjected to? What about the ppl breathing the fumes?
I do rescues and YES abuse should be stopped. However; governments can do that by establishing regulations AND hiring ppl to enforce them. And I don’t mean 1 person for eight counties like so many states do. They can also give grants for educating ppl becase some ppl are just ignorant.
Putting ppl out of business is not the answer. Put more ppl to work inspecting the non-caring bz owners but don’t go to the xtreme of saying “everyone” treats their animals that way.
Also, for you folks who think the bzs should be banned & the horses turned out. How many of those horses are you going to support? How much land have you bought to move them to? Ban the industry & those horses will wind up in a slaughter house ; not getting better care at some happy acres farm. Can’t ya’ll see that PETA really hates animals & ppl, too, for that matter? Quit being drones & check it out for yourself. Choose to do something that will be a real help instead of just saying “ya, get rid of it”. That is not real help!
Demand that our gov hire more ppl for inspections, etc & make better regulations for our equine friends AND take animal abuse serious!
WHO IS IN CHARGE?
// Dec 21, 2008 at 7:29 pm
It seems to me that there are ordinances and the city government is somewhat at fault. I am sure that laws are written to PROTECT ALL ANIMALS in NYC. Why are they not regulating the daily living conditions or suspending those that are not feeding or caring for the horses correctly. I drive horses, and just like I was once a great athelete, some horses prefer to do something rather than sit in a stall of manure. I could not live with myself if I treated my horses bad or overworked them for an extra fee. The money is not worth it. The city of NYC should step in and make sure that the horse are cared for according to the rules…… It is bad conditions when a horse cannot drink. But whoever filmed the horse not being able to drink probably did not also film his strap being loosened so he could drink. The driver probably waited for the people to unload before getting down to loosen the strap for the horse to be able to drink. It was for the riders safety not being cruel to the horse. I believe in some of the arguements against carriage driving in NYC. But the leaders of the BAN need to go down to their local animal shelter and adopt a puppy. Na, it’s easier to point the finger at someone else.
GET A GRIP PEOPLE
HELP YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ENFORCE THE RULES IN PLACE FOR THE HORSES NOW !!! DON’T SIT AND POINT THE FINGER….DO SOMETHING
// Dec 20, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I ride and drive my american paint horse in parades and trail rides . I would never put her through any type of abuse like that. I cant believe all the hours they make them pull the carriages. And their body condition shocks me !! Someone please help those poor horses. Leeanna from Texas
// Dec 18, 2008 at 12:44 am
This makes me sick! I can’t believe this is going on right in front of peoples noses and it still continues! What is wrong with this world? I’ve seen the carriage horses in St, Augustine,Fl. They in the same situation.We were going to go on a ride,But when we seen how bad they’re feet were and how sad,depressed and under fed they were.We couldn’t even think of putting one of those horses there that. I am an horse owner and it just makes me want to remove the horse from the carriage and put the owners in they’re place.Lets see how they feel! It’s time to pull together and put a stop to it NOW!
// Dec 7, 2008 at 3:04 am
It’s not just in NYC……
// Nov 30, 2008 at 4:37 pm
This film must be seen …. I am so glad finally this is getting out to the public not everyone knows the dangers and what these poor horses go through. We the people can stop this it is up to us to have theses carriages either in the park only or banned all together. If they are banned we must provide a home for each of these horses.
// Oct 30, 2008 at 4:20 pm
pleasehelp these horses and the ones in St Augustine,Fl.They stand in the heat all day every day and they are miserable.Please look into saving them too!
i eat horses
// Oct 29, 2008 at 11:49 pm
i eat horses. when those horses are hurt they send them to my farm and i eat them. when they are banned i might not have horse meals anymore. but where will they send all those horses? not into the wild they wont survive. they will come to my farm. where i will… you guessed it eat them.
// Oct 28, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Thank you very much for making this movie and raising awareness of the people for this cruelty. I hope many people will see it and help to ban this shame.
// Oct 19, 2008 at 3:27 am
I’m sorry. I did not see the abuse in this video besides the poorly lit stalls. Accidents happen EVERYWHERE. Yes. The danger is increased by the traffic, but pedestrians are also in danger from speeding careless drivers. I also failed to see one horse in the entire segment that had true signs of exhaustion and abuse. There were no sores, no cuts and no ribs.
The lady in the white coat actually made me laugh. It is almost impossible to remove horses form things that will potentially frighten or spook them. A horse I ride fairly regularly frightens herself in the pasture occasionally just from the tall grass springing back at her after she pulls some off, or occasionally of just a twig breaking, leaves rustling, or a random shadow. I’ve even seen a horse freak out because an object he was accustomed to seeing in a particular place had been moved.
I really wish the PETA would stop having these emotional outbursts and deal with things like adults. Shouting at people will not help them change, what needs to happen is a positive reform of carriage drivers and companies that are actually abusive and bad. Perhaps an undercover, non aggressive, non biased, exposure. I have seen lame and maltreated carriage horses but the ones in this video weren’t them.
// Oct 16, 2008 at 4:52 pm
This is absolutely appalling! I can not believe that this has not been banned…excuse me, I can believe it. We as humans continue to treat all other living beings as our property and our right to do with as we wish. I can only pray that people will spread the word and show people this to STOP IT once and for all! It is nothing more than our own laziness and selfishness that allows this to continue. This is no life!
// Sep 30, 2008 at 7:58 am
This page in history needs to come to a close now. Like the narrator said, it looks as if they had been taken out of the past and just dropped into present day. Misplaced, Uninhabitable, Hostile, Doesn’t belong!!!!
We don’t need a ride that bad!!!!
// Sep 30, 2008 at 7:31 am
I totally agree! The day and age of the horse and carriage are over, hello, automobiles! I pleasure ride and where I ride we take very good care of the horses. Watching that preview made my stomach turn. We have carriage in my city, which isn’t that large, but the horses are faced with the same end result. I think we should harness the drivers and owners of these carriage company’s and have them drive around over-weight ppl all day; taking in the exhaust and city noise just for one day! Now that’s humane!
// Sep 27, 2008 at 2:27 am
I’m really glad that this is getting out there, because I was totally unaware of these conditions and the cruelty behind the horses that pull carriages. I never really gave a thought to it behind the majestic beauty of it all. But that now I see this film, I feel that every time I see a horse drawn carriage I will burst into tears. My heart will go out to every horse that is caught in that horrible and unfortunate situation. I sincerely wish that the world and the higher officials will realize that notice that the people are speaking out and rioting and put an end to this inhumane tradition.
// Sep 17, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Kales, if you can find a carriage horse living in the splendor you describe, I’ll believe it. Until then, I won’t hold my breath. Moreover, a lot of riding and pleasure horses live in less-than-ideal situations, especially those who have outlived their ‘usefulness’.
More to the point, who cares if a minimum number of horses are existing in comfort while being forced to drag tourists around over hard pavement? Most are not, and that’s not the only issue. Doing this, no matter how well you take care of the horse’s basic needs, injures horses – the strain on their legs from the pavement, forcing them to breathe toxic fumes, etc. Regulation can’t stop that. Banning can. Perhaps a phased or gradual banning would help deal with the issue you mentioned, but it should be banning and not regulation all the same. The argument about there not being enough homes for ex-carriage horses is a faulty one: by preventing horses from being forced into the occupation in the first place, we remove the problem of having to kill them when we ban it.
Next time your in New York and see a lame carriage horse pulling a family of five through traffic, perhaps you’ll feel differently.
// Sep 17, 2008 at 4:32 am
je suis choquée par le traitement réservé à ces pauvres chevaux. ils méritent mieux que cela.
nous sommes au 21è siècle et les animaux sont encore toujours maltraités. Je ne suis pas fière ! Jamais je n’utiliserai un tel transport. Le mêem problème se pose en Egypte. Les chevaux sont faméliques et maltraités sous l’oeil indifférent des touristes.
// Aug 13, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I am glad everyone is so worried about these horses, however this documentary really only applies to New York carriage horses. There are other carriage companies across the country who treat their horses poorly, but there are also carriage horses who have very pleasant lives. Spoiled rotten carriage horses who have cushy retirements (at any age retirement becomes appropriate, not just old horses) and perfect medical/farrier care. Horses who receive care that rivals most family or pleasure horses.
Also, a real solution needs to be presented for these horses. I’ve seen a lot of people demanding freedom or rescue. There simply are not enough homes for horses, especially in our current economy. Euthanization would be the only option for a lot of horses if the entire industry was destroyed. Perhaps death would be better for some of these horses, but not all. The horses in NY certainly need help, and many others across the country. Regulation is a more reasonable and realistic answer than banning.
// Aug 11, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Is there a major difference in slave labor and wage labor? A carriage drivers’ butt may be big and lazy, but the crisis-oriented attitude of the majority of people leaving posts on here is what is disturbing! No one cares if I am cold on the back of the carriage, if I have to work my butt off day in and day out so I can go home and sleep in what is essentially my little cage. No one is protesting that I don’thave access to clean water unless I make the money to go buy it. It is okay to exploit the average person for money, but who gives a crap if I ever get carted in and out of the city to have six weeks to run around the country side with my shoes off! When I have to lift huge trays of food and bring it to people’s tables all night, no one objects, saying,”That poor girl has to perform all this physical labor for food and a place to stay.” No, not at all. Now, abuse is abuse. My boss is not allowed to abuse me physically or mentally, I get that. So, if these horses are being abused, that should be dealt with. But to say that horses, without whom we would have NO SEMBLANCE of a civilized world as it wouldn’t have been built without the ir help, should all just be free to run around and do horsey things – well, where is the group saying the same thing for humans? Eight hours a day, working for food and shelter, we are all God’s creatures – and for sure, not one single person who is so anti horse and carriage better ever eat an animal or that is the definition of hypocrisy. Hell, you shouldn’t even be living indoors as you all must believe that the mortar in the bricks the house is made of was made in a factory that polluted the air. So, Move Out. Live in the tree in the neighborhood or in this mythical place you think all horses should go. Can I go too?
Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater – the horse and carriages industry is NOT the problem. It is not an evil business. Abuse is the problem.
// Aug 4, 2008 at 8:45 am
I am appalled and disgusted that we allow horses to be treated in this horrendous manner, so that a few selfish humans can have a so-called memorable moment.
It’s time to BAN THIS INDUSTRY and retire the horses to a sancutary.
// Jul 30, 2008 at 9:58 pm
k hoenstly i am absoultly discusted and appauled. i feel so terribly for these poor animals!
THEY GET TREATED LIKE DIRT! LIKE THEY ARE MENT TO WORK AND BE SLAVES FOR US FOR OUR LIVES. THIS IS FUCKING REDICULOUS! im so glad that PETA is actualy doing something about this and that people are actualy putting a stop to this. im so fed up with the world of how we treat our animals that were put here so we could learn from them what the hell are we doing !?
// Jun 19, 2008 at 10:43 pm
I am discusted with even the thought of horses being treated like this! I am not suprized though. Humans are selfish! I am so glad there are people that care enough to open their mouths and speak out about issues like this. I live on a farm, in the mid-west, and would never have known about this horrible abuse! Thank- you to all who aren’t affraid to speak their minds. We can change this cruel world one person at a time!
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// Jun 16, 2008 at 7:27 pm
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// Jun 13, 2008 at 11:19 am
The same sort of abuse goes on in the so called “Holy City” of Charleston SC. As many as 16-18 people on a carriage with only one horse pulling it. The heat index here is almost unbearable for humans let alone those poor animals being forced to pull all those people through streets made even hotter from auto exhaust.
// Jun 2, 2008 at 7:03 pm
I wish I’d been aware of animal abuse, including the plight of the carriage horses, when I worked in (and commuted to/from) NYC in the 1980s. But, then again, perhaps I was spared the grief of watching these elegant, noble, generous, hard-working equines suffer — and the feeling that I could do nothing to change their miserable fate.
Someday this anachronism of horse-drawn carriages will be a distant memory in the Big Apple, and everywhere.
That “someday” will arrive in Gotham when citizens rise up and say “no more” to the greed, deception and cruelty that perpetuate this ugly animal slavery and that rob both humans and horses of true prosperity, true power and true peace.
Crusaders like Donny Moss, Elizabeth Forel, Marjorie Caruso and other brave souls will not quit ’til the tandem sounds of clopping horse hooves and squeaky carriage wheels on New York City pavements comes to a grinding halt.
// May 16, 2008 at 10:29 am
i cant believe people are writing so politely that clip captures pure heartache. The owners are scum and if new york doesn’t ban it then they are hypercrits the whole “god loves america land of the free” look up genisis and you will see that GOD created all land and beast so either change your slogan or publish the ban!
// May 7, 2008 at 5:05 am
Pedicabs are the greenest and most appropriate replacement for carriage horses.
You can get the same enjoyment and effect from a pedicab as you could get from a carriage ride.
So there already is a viable replacement for the NYC carriages and they are already operating in the city, and so there is no excuse not to ban the carriages.
// May 5, 2008 at 9:09 pm
I thought people nowadays had enough with cruelty to animals. I saw how these horse carriages operate in New York and I feel such things should stop once and for all. I always believe if you love animals and took care of them like your own child than GOD will take care of you like you are HIS child.
Lets change for our childrens sake!!!
Be nice to them let them FREE!!
// May 1, 2008 at 7:00 pm
For decades, as far back as I can remember–and I’m 70–my heart broke every time I saw a carriage horse. The one thing I disliked about going to Lncoln Center, when I worked in NYC, was seeing the carriage horses. Just standing in one place on the hard pavement is hard for a human; it’s harder for a horse. And they live in 4- and 5-floor-walk-up tenements with no heat in winter and no cooling system in summer like the minks who are in stinking cages in NY tenements, not on beautiful ranches, running free. no animal can be as cruel and indifferent as humans.
// May 1, 2008 at 3:51 am
..these large teardrops on their way to my lips, taste somewhat sweet still. long ago, a multitude of tears expressed the feelings of a tender heart, beating below and under. however, as year after year places coat upon coat, a thick skin ‘protects’ one from eventually ..drying. eventually, one ‘forgets’ for one simply cannot be subject to a mere, ongoing compassion. or one becomes an annoying, tough yet so romantic an, activist..
not so long ago, during fall, winter, spring and summer seasons and their appropriate weather, entering and exiting the east 59th nyc subway stop, my dearest friend and i used to look closely and sometimes talk softly to these ..smooth operators, while they -all, one by one- stood silently, awaiting their next weight/customer. most everytime, we said that, something was missing from their physiognomy, something imprinted in one’s memory of them in some other direct contact, or from pretty wall posters and pictures in books. sadly, that particular absence were as loud as their silent, humble stance while being ‘parked’ across from The Plaza. that missing pedigree trait were none other than their pride: that innate yet noble sign of arrogance..
one morning, my friend said to one horse ‘despot’, “Sir, this animal has such elegant, tender legs; surely, s/he is not a horse-breed intended for such heavy workload..” well, need not mention the rude response in one so “nyc” kind of manner.., for ignorance should not be ever-repeated and sealed.
however, wish here to share with you, dear reader, that:
it rather is the case that, we humans would let horses be horses, or birds be birds, and so on, if and only if, we would secure firstly that, we humans are humans. only, one is not born human, as a horse is born a horse. one only Becomes human, the procedure somewhat resembling that of a ..butterfly. upbringing or education is the only way. thus, adequate schooling should not be a privilege, nor remain a civil right, but be an obligation for every ..putative human, in order to attain the state of human being. only thereafter, horses shall live as such.
// Apr 27, 2008 at 10:10 am
I feel much sadness by the form that we continued trying the animal to all the species, but lamentably not only to the horses to all generally we make, them suffer by the pleasure to do it we used, them like for test of laboratories or of cosmetic we killed, them by its skin, since the Canadian fishermen with the seals do. Incredibly these happen in the societies “but outposts of exquisite and old self-proclaimed cultures” in the denominated countries of the first world.
A call on the matter by the animal and in their rights, from a country of the Third World
Stop to torture them, let them to live peacefully,
I hate these people deeply.
// Apr 25, 2008 at 4:36 am
Shame on all this ! Stop the cruelty !
// Apr 23, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Let the horses stay & ban the cars!!!
Horse transportation would be a more green option than cars in NYC.
So get rid of the gas guzzlers and replace with the hay burners. These horse realy don’t look destitude or depressed.
Draft horses love to pull/
Jumping horses love to jump/
racehorses love to run.
But it is in how we exploit the horse that may cause a problem. Sure there are issues to be addressed – in all that man does. But as a horse person for over 30 years what I saw in this video was someone trying to create an illusion of abuse. I saw a horse with ribs – but over all the horse was in good health. As a matter of fact all the horses had bright eyes, shiny coats and feet well shod. Horses find a colder temperature more comfortable than humans. Nature provides horses with a thick, heavy winter coat.
Why not address the issues – NYC has bridle trails – can the carriages use them? Then also can’t a special lane be made for carriages/bikes and skaters? Educate the people on proper horse management and harness fitting.
Auto accidents happen everyday in NYC and they not just limited to horse drawn vehicles.
If we ban carriage rides – what is next mounted police patrol/ drug sniffing horses/ army mules /search and rescue horses/ horse pets/ horses for sport and pleasure/ horses for the handicapped. Then what do we do with the millions of horses – set them all free to starve to death?
// Apr 23, 2008 at 10:45 am
I WENT TO VIENNA IN FEBRUARY BECAUSE MY DAD IS AUSTRIAN AND THE HORSES ARE DOING CARRIAGE RIDES THERE BUT THEY ARE IN MUCH BETTER CONDITION. THEY HAVE ACCESS TO WATER AND AT LUNCH TIME THEY GET ONE OF THOSES BAGS ATTATCHED TO THEIR BRIDLES TO EAT THEIR LUNCH. I WORK AT A STABLES SO OBVIOUSLY I WAS LOOKING AT THE HORSES HEALTH. THEY SEEMED HAPPY AND ALSO WERE NOT GOING AROUND THE ROADS BUT WERE GOING THROUGH THE QUIET PICTURESQUE STREETS. I WAS CONTEMPLATING GOING ON A RIDE BUT IT WAS TO EXPENSIVE. THEN I REALISED HALF OF THE HORSES HAD RUBS ALL OVER THEM FROM THEIR HARNESSES AND HAD TO GO TO THE TOILET ON THE ROAD WHICH I KNOW HORSES HATE BECAUSE TO BE REALISTIC IT SPLASHES UP THEIR LEGS SO IT CAN’T BE NICE. SOME RIBS WERE SHOWING TO. THE CARRIAGE DRIVERS WERE LOOKING AFTER THEIR HORSES THOUGH. THEY KEPT PATTING THEM AND GIVING THEM LITTLE TREATS WHEN THEY HAD FINISHED THEIR RIDES. THEY WENT IN ABOUT 7.30 AND CAME BACK OUT AT ABOUT 11.30 IN THE MORNING. WE NEED ALL PLACES TO CHANGE TO BE LIKE THIS MORE AS THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT FAIRER ON THE HORSES.
// Apr 23, 2008 at 9:48 am
I have been involved with horses for many years and I can’t believe that these carriage horses are being treated this way and nothing has changed. You can see in their eyes that they are scared and they are forced to behave this way. And that man driving the carriage reading the paper?!?! What a jerk! He not only needs to be fired from that job but he should no longer work with animals. I guess what I find cruel is the care and concern for these wonderful animals. One horse could not even reach the water to get a drink and nothing was done about it. Horses need room to relax and run around be in the grass and enjoy being a horse. They go from the street to the stall to the street again and so forth. That is also very bad for their legs to walk on that hard surface let alone seeing them trot on it! These people just obviously don’t care about the well being of the animal and all they see is that they are making money. I am so against keeping these horses like this! Horses do not belong in the streets of NYC or any other busy city for that matter!
// Apr 8, 2008 at 3:22 am
I don´t understand the panic about it.
Whats wrong with it, the Horses are good and healthy looking.
Dressage and western riding even jumping is badest horse abuse, as well
// Apr 6, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I have a horse that is trained to harness and to pull a carriage. I would never treat my horse that way. How can New York allow this? My horse has a pasture and a warm clean barn. I would never subject him to any situation that I feel is unsafe or may potentially harm him and me. I put his well being first. New York should do the same for those poor horses. The horse need pasture and just plain country living. That type of treatment needs to stop now! I am appalled by it!
Sabine from Germany
// Apr 4, 2008 at 11:52 am
How can a City like New York do thinks like that ??????????? Every Animal has a Soul !!!!!!!
I have a Horse my self and she is living on Gras and Sand all Day and Night.
This Film is HORROR STOP IT NOW !!!!
Regarts from Sabine
// Mar 27, 2008 at 11:11 am
hi there from Austria,
I have to say: I have been horse-riding for years … stopped about 8 years ago.
But I tried to have a relationship with the horses, always have been the “relaxing-part” and we trusted each other. Always on the country-site.
I never saw a thing like that. I am shocked.
How can they do that?
A horse walking up stairs? How weird is that?
I hate what’s going on there … !
// Mar 25, 2008 at 12:56 pm
There are unfortunate comments on this site from those that believe, heinously and arrogantly, that we “humans” have domain over all other creatures. This site is an advocacy site, with a researched, enlightened, and humane perspective on a troubling issue. There may be other views, including those with vested interests, but those views are not at home here. Horses, majestic and sensitive, deserve much better than to be enslaved and mistreated for our folly and entertainment. To argue otherwise is to defend the dishonorable and indefensible.
// Mar 16, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Have you animals rights idiots still not awoken to the fact that PETA is a hypocrite organization that kills 99% of the animals it takes in??
It does not care about animals!! It only care about money & power!!
Do the research instead of blindly following!
"CCsweet16" not my favorite either
// Mar 15, 2008 at 2:53 pm
bird319, I don’t know if you’re aware of the PETA “forums” @PETA.org ?? You might get some help there. I get MANY questions answered/support from the PETA forum site.
// Mar 14, 2008 at 8:54 am
I am a film student living in Chicago and am so happy with Petas involvement in banning horse drawn carriages in NY but I belive that the horses drawn carriages in Chicago are the next place to begin banning this cruel act. I truly believe that many people are simply uneducated about the mistreatment of the horses and feel that this same banning process needs to begin to take place in Chicago.
I have a documentary assignment for one of my film classes and am interested in following a person who is trying to learn more about how the horses are treated in Chicago and see how this person finds ways to begin educating the citizen of Chicago.
Does anyone know anyone living in chicago or coming to protest in chicago who would be interested in having a short documentary about their efforts to bring the awareness to Chicago?
// Mar 10, 2008 at 8:36 am
PLEASE STOP THAT ALL!!!IT IS SO TERRIBLE AND THE HORSES CANT DEFEND!!!!!! :´-( STOP IT!!!I CANT UNDERSTAND THAT HUMANS CAN BE SO CRUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
// Mar 9, 2008 at 10:10 pm
G’day from South Australia,
Last year my husband and I were lucky enough to travel around the USA on holidays for a month. America is an amazing country, and we met some great people on our trip.When we arrived in New York, we stayed in a great hotel overlooking Central Park.Everyday I was upset looking at the horses taking people for rides all day and all night. When we arrived back in Australia, I sent an e-mail to the mayor of New York, regarding the plight of the horses, but received no reply.I am so glad PETA is working to help the horses.It breaks my heart how some people don’t care about the working conditions of the horses, and the plight of animals in need.
// Mar 4, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Tradition or not these animals do not deserve this kind of treatment!!! Would you treat a member of your family or close friends like this? No, so why would you do it to animals. No one person or animal deserves anything bad happen to them. Horses are not meant to be on city streets like that, they are a beautiful animal with much to appreciate about them. They cant stick up for themselves and put a stop to it, it’s far from fair to them. As a mayor of a great city Mayor Bloomberg should be standing tall with the people and animals of New York not against them. have we lost all sight of what is free and fair? This is sickening to see, everyday their lives are put at risk and what ends happening is the horse will act out and can cause a lot of damage to people, vehicles and themselves. It’s self destructive for some of them and some just aren’t lucky enough to have their lives taken away for what? So we can have a few minutes of fun at their expense. There is many other ways to enjoy ourselves instead of contributing to the growing problem. I sincerely hope all these posts are heard and something is done about this. Remember: would you treat your family like this? So why such a beautiful animal…???
Not giving it!
// Mar 4, 2008 at 11:17 pm
God gave man domain over animals! This is not abuse or inhumane. They are horses and as my dad says they are not a pet they are a tool for our use.
// Feb 26, 2008 at 7:04 pm
can’t you all see the irony in this? there you are, knowing this is wrong and doing nothing more than posting comments. well, what do you think those drivers of those carriages are doing, nothing more than putting up with the situation, they’ve chosen to deal with. i urge you to make an actual choice…make your voices heard, and by the people that can change these things that we hate about our society. that’s the whole flippin’ reason we live in a democracy! contact your state senators, post your outrage on your myspace pages, offer people a way to make a change. PETA needs more than your vocal support…if you don’t know what you can do to help…GET WITH PETA, and they’ll tell you what you can do. i’m honored to be amongst those of you who care, but disappointed in your neglect to take real action. thank you, and be damn sure that i will make contacts, if for no other reason than to voice my outrage.
// Feb 26, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Do you really think that everything PETA syys is right?? GOD!!!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE SOOO NARROW MINDED. For one, im on here to help retards like some of you, realize that yopu need to form opinions yourself, and not have celebs and PETA make them for you. And Some of you people dont know shit about horses and dont know what goes on in situation like this. So dont think that because of a stupid ass movie that the carriage business is abusive. Honestly.
NO. Not many peiople can afford to buy everything for all their horses to live all free and happy. For me.. I rodeo. I need to make money from it. Same as the cabbies.
BOO HOOO YOU GUYS GOT DISAGREED WITH. Im such a whore right? lololololololololololololol I DONT FUCKING CARE!!!! say what you want.
// Feb 25, 2008 at 6:59 pm
The saddest thing about this whole website is that I come back from being away for a month, and you moronic animal rights activists have not yet acquired any brains.
// Feb 25, 2008 at 9:46 am
First of all, these carriage riders need to get with the program, in other words, they need to get their FAT and Lazy behinds off the carriage and do their own walking. This is where our tax dollars on healthcare are being wasted, by these candy asses acting as if they’re Mr and Mrs Mary Poppins fillng up spaces behind a carriage and living a sendentary lifestyle therefore increases there chances of coronary artery disease.
Secondly, even a retard can tell that these horses are not only distraught and miserable but are in danger of the environment and weight of the carriage.
PETA I am all the way with you in this.
// Feb 24, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I see a lot of emotion here, but not much in the way of research or knowledge of the subject, other than the biased views expressed by PETA. I am an animal lover, and a tree hugger, but I also believe in rationality and truth. You cannot “force” an animal the size of a horse to do anything without risking personal injury. Zebras are not domesticated for this very reason. If a zebra were pulling a cart in NYC then you would have a valid point. Draft animals live to pull and will do it anywhere and enjoy it so long as they are healthy and treated well, which the vast majority of these horses are.
Not knowing much about an issue and still taking action is irresponsible. All of this talk about animal enslavement has a false foundation. Abuse is real, and it should never occur. Suggesting that a symbiotic relationship cannot exist between animals and humans where both benefit is ridiculous. Is it enslavement for a tracking dog to do search and rescue work? PETA thinks so. But the truth is that the dog is having fun, finding the missing person is a game they fully enjoy. Our benefit does not constitute enslavement or abuse.
Perhaps we should liberate trees from doing the work of purifying the air we breath? We control their existence, so aren’t they our slaves as well? Oysters, clams, and muscles purify our water, thrive in places where they are placed by humans, so since humans benefit from the work they do we should put an end to it, right? Symbiosis is an important factor of life, and being ignorant of it is foolish. Try wrapping your brain around the idea that a majority of the horses just might enjoy what they do, no matter where they do it. I’m sure some do not enjoy it, and they should be relocated. A ban is just too extreme.
And for those taunting carriage drivers and passengers, do you think the horses have any idea that that taunting isn’t directed at them? This further proves my point that PETA is not interested in the well being of animals. If they were, they would never support actions that stress animals. Taunting (even if by accident) the animals is a truly unnecessary form of abuse. That is a form of terrorism. There are so many worthy organizations out there that support animal welfare without supporting terrorism. Try supporting a group that offers truth and sanity, not propaganda and radicalism.
Those who support PETA blindly are guilty of crimes against society. Yes, PETA can be identified with the holocaust. Not only have they exploited the holocaust in ads, they use the same tactics the Nazi’s used, primarily propaganda and misinformation. I assert that if most current PETA supporters were aware of the extreme beliefs propagated by PETA, they would no longer support them. If they do, then they are just as imbalanced and a danger to our future.
I believe in animal welfare, I’m an environmentalist, I support human rights, I believe in good nutrition, and I believe in being good stewards of the world we live in. I guess you could say I’m a short haired hippie, sans the drugs. PETA has accomplished some good things, but the Nazi’s built the autobahn among other good deeds. Good deeds do not make any group worthy of blind support. I’m all for worthy causes, but one should be aware of those they support.
// Feb 24, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I think we should go and torture every person that is a part of this cruel business.! I am outraged!
// Feb 24, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Horse-drawn carriages is an antiquated practice that has no place in today’s modern cities. Horses are not meant to walk in heavy, noisy and polluted traffic for endless hours. It’s torture to them. For horses’ sake, we must ban this horrible practice.
// Feb 23, 2008 at 8:29 am
I am so sorry about it. Sorry horses.
It must be stopped.
// Feb 22, 2008 at 7:50 am
(CC)sweet16!!!—”And not everybody can afford land for “running free” as you say.”
ummm…If you can’t afford land for the horse to run and roam…then you probably shouldn’t have a horse.
Guess what, when you buy something-you buy EVERYTHING that comes with it! If these horses were people, there would be an uproar! If people were used to drag around a carriage all day, then put into a building in a cage…are you serious! Its slavery to horses!
the fact of the matter is, if you wouldnt do it to a person, you shouldn’t do it to an animal. I can maybe see if you all moved your horse drawn carriages to someplace like central park, and stayed within the park away from all the noise and dangerous traffic [because not even I enjoy driving or walking on the streets of nyc] perhaps then people could see a more natural and safe environment for these animals. But even then, you’d need a safe way of transporting them from there to an open land where there are stalls and arenas for them to appropiately rest after a long and stressful day.
There’s also temperature to consider…in the hottest of heat and the coldest of cold…these animals welfare need to be taken into consideration.
…these animals are treated like those in the awful factory farming–simply a price tag…there are not viewed as a living, feeling creature.
i’m not saying you are a bad person…i just don’t feel you are considering it from the horses perspective.
if you care about the horse, you do whats best for the horse…forget about your needs…we’re talking about a life here…a life in your hands…that horse depends on you to make the right choices…since he is not able to make his own…
i know you know…the environment is not a safe place for these horses.
give land, give love, give life!
thank you for your time, and i hope you understand where we animal lovers are coming from! [p.s. we care about people too!]
“I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to the protection by man from the cruelty of man.”
// Feb 22, 2008 at 7:03 am
I can’t not believe this, it’s torture. There’s no animal more pure and kind than a horse, and those horrible people are doing that to them?
it’s an slow death sentence to them. We must do something about it!
// Feb 21, 2008 at 4:54 pm
i think the way that people are diong this to the horses is disgusting! animals should not be forced to haul around carriges ,kept in cages or be hit by cars when on the streets because people force them to be there. this should be stooped. i think think that what Pink is doing is very important!
// Feb 21, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I just think that those poor horses should be let free to run around on acres of grass so they can be peaceful instead of being dragged around town with a million pounds of a carriage and fat tourists. Horses have feelings and pain too. So just tell me this, would you ever strap a carriage on the back of a human? NO! i didn’t think so, than why would you do it to a poor defencless animal, who loves you, even though you are hurting him/her.
// Feb 21, 2008 at 11:25 am
As someone who used to show horses (clydesdales to be exact) at horse shows and have driven them in parades, I know the precautions and preparations that go into making things as safe as possible for the horses and the people around us. I could never mentally allow myself to put the horses onto busy New York streets. I’ve never been to NY, so I’ve only ever seen the Hollywood romanticized picture of no cars around and everything is romantic and peaceful. That’s the way it should be. I was mortified to see the video and the injuries some of those horses sustained, likely ending in death. How terrible! If NY can’t find a large park for peaceful rides away from traffic, then I agree that this tradition should be discontinued. The horses should be respected. They have feelings and personality too! Only they can’t speak up for themselves.
// Feb 21, 2008 at 11:24 am
I think just letting the public know is the best answer for these poor horses. The people who participate in these rides have no idea how inhumane the horses are being treated. It’s time to let everyone know, this is not right, stop. Give those poor horses the life they deserve.
// Feb 21, 2008 at 9:21 am
Please stop using animals in any way that you want. This is a cruel tradition and needs to be stopped now.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Tourists! Stop funding this horrible activity!
Find something else that’s peaceful and romantic to do! Animals have no choice but to endure their fate at the greedy hands of humans!
// Feb 20, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Are we the animals and the animals the innocent creatures?
STOP THIS CRUELTY TO ANIMALS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
// Feb 20, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Get out people, get in the way, boo riders and the drivers, let them run over you before they can make horses slave around the city with thousands of pounds on their back, in the rain, snow, and horrible conditions of ny, posting only lets others know how you feel, action starts a REAL movement, only you can stop this.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 8:58 pm
This is really pathetic! Why can’t people understand that these poor animals get hurt just like us. They feel the pain like us. Just imagine what kind of pain we’ll have to bear if this was done for us. People do very dirty stuff to make money out of these innocent animals.
Ahyhow these people have to pay for these sins they are doing. They’ll suffer like hell at their death. So, I would be really glad if you can communicate this message (not only this, but also about all the animal cruelty and killing acts) in mass media and take some strict actions to stop this wild act of these people!
// Feb 20, 2008 at 6:48 pm
The most sad part of this is that those poor horses don’t have any choice. How apalling for innocent animals to pull fat lazy tourists around NYC and anywhere they have horse drawn carriages. Even if you think you are for animal rights, everytime you ride in one of those carriages, you are committing animal abuse!!! How pathetic. I pray for those horses and all animals suffering for the sake of entertainment. Shameful.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 4:25 pm
soooo sad there is no excuse for animal cruelty please help ban the horses from the streets of NY
blessings from aussie XX
// Feb 20, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I feel so sad for the horses. To me they are the most gentle of animals, and it is just not right to abuse them in that way.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Tourist can find better things to do in NYC other then work an animal to it dieing day.
It’s also the greed of money for the carriage owners that keeps this inhumane practice going.
Please help stop this barbaric treatment of the carriage horses in New York City!
They live in a pure tortuous world day in and day out.
They endure daily the hot summer heat without water and cold winter snows without blankets or shelter.
A kind touch is something they can’t seem to connect with because of their cold hearted treatment being treated as a machine.
They know noting of- Grass under their feet, freedom to move without restraints, a place to lay down that’s clean and warm
& fresh clean meadow hay to eat & clean air to breathe.
Carriage rides are not necessary to enjoy New York City.
The tourist needs to know how their few minuets ride suffers the horses to a life that no human could ever endure!
I own a small horse farm in upstate NY and we can tell you that these horses in NYC are a sad site.It sickens me to see how they live.
There are many horse farms in upstate NY take would take these poor horses in and let them live out thier lives the way they should.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 12:57 pm
New York is a good place to start! If the we stop animal abuse at any form in such cosmopolitan cities we will have very strong reference to push for animal freedom in other countries or cities.
I live in Europe. EU is doing quite good job to ptotect animal rights but there is still much to do about it as I see animal abuse every day!
GO ON PETA!
// Feb 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Firstly, I would like to say that I believe this site must be pretty awsome to get all of you guys to actually think about the issues going around in this world.
We all have our own opinions, some more extreme than others, yet we shouldn’t abuse others for their beliefs, because at the end of the day, where would we be without freedom of speech?
The problem here is that you are arguing at each other and throwing horrendous insults in all directions.
Don’t blame each other, blame society, blame the civilisation that we have today.
Our planet is damaged almost beyond repair; rainforests completely destroyed, many species of both plants and animals extinct, disease and immense corruption run through the veins of our throbbing communities, and poverty blackens chunks of the world.
These are all issues, and they all need thinking about.
There is no need to go on warpaths and accuse people of stupidity when they choose to help a cause that they believe need it. We can all heal this world bit by little bit.
If their are concerns for what would happen to the horses if the ban was set, then the situation needs re-evaluation, maybe the living and health conditions of the poor animals should just be improved.
I have chosen not to view the movie because a part of my heart breaks everytime I see a being in an unjust postion. Whether it be for a human or an animal this world is cruel, and I’m afraid that it is irrepairable.
I understand that there is a very large probability that no one will read this because, like me, you just want to state your opinions and thoughts on the matter, we are (ironically) only human after all.
There are a number of reasons why the whole world cannot be healed, all to do with balance, I don’t believe I could give justice to the reason by explaining it, so I have come up with an example.
If to kill and eat an animal was proposed to be overall wrong, and a ban was to be placed, you need to think about what would happen to the animals. They wouldn’t be wild would they, no. They would be extinct, to be see only in zoos. Then, the problem would arise of where to grow crops to eat, there isn’t possibly enough space on this planet to grow enough food for everyone to eat. Don’t get me wrong there, because I myself am a vegetarian and pro PETA but I like to look at the different views and think about the different points and consequences. I have always supported PETA and sign every single petition.
I could go on explaining, but I have homework to do, I realise that being a 17 year old girl with little experience in worldly matters, my opinion and words count for little, but I would appreciate it if you took into account what i have said. Thank You.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 11:52 am
They should absolutely stop the cruelty and ban all horses from the streets of New York City.
It is outrageous! I have been in NYC for over 50 years and have seen numerous accidents and abuse concerning these gentle vunerable creatures.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 11:29 am
i think it is inhumane, and should definetely be ban.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 10:47 am
Good film. The carriages should be banned. Period. I don’t like seeing the horses around all the noise, pollution, etc. And the living conditions don’t look good for horses. I don’t care if the drivers/owners love their horses or not ( I really don’t think they do) – horses shouldn’t be pulling carriages in NYC in this day and age. It is inhumane regardless of the fact that accidents happen as was pointed out. SO? Tell you what – anyone who can justify carriages even a little – go pull a cart up and down NYC streets and then stand the whole time you’re waiting for a ride and tell me you belong there!
"CCsweet16" not my favorite either
// Feb 20, 2008 at 10:41 am
CC Sweet 16,
1. Before you go trying to correct other people’s spelling on this blog, you had better get your own dictionary. 2. If you want people to “get over PETA”, why are YOU on this webpage? 3. You’re obviously selfish and think only of you and what an animal can do for YOU. 4. You’re right about one thing; “some people (like you) are so wrapped up in their opinions, they assume they’re right.
Animals behavioural, mental and emotional needs should not be irrelevant. Humans have choices, animals don’t. They shouldn’t be forced to do things for our financial benefit.
PROUD PETA MEMBER!
// Feb 20, 2008 at 10:19 am
Hose carriages are pointless I fell to see what the fasanation in making horses suffer needlessly when people have there own two working legs to get them from point A to B. And if they need to be carried then own a dam wheelchair like I’m in 24-7- 63 days a year Man! Or rent a car what a concept. (HA) And another point those streets are dangerous for anyone to walk in not alone poor horses come on use your heart if you have one that is.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 7:57 am
I’m from Nassau, Bahamas and we have very similar “attractions”. NYC needs education for the masses. Most people still think cows give milk without being impregnated, that they are machines which exist only for our use. The public feels horses are made for work-”workhorse”. They feel that they exist only for our exploitation, what else good are they? Before we can expect any kind of change the public first needs to change it’s perception of other beings. That’s where PETA, HSUS, and activists like us come in. To cry and moan is understandable, to act is commendable.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 7:05 am
It’s a sad thought that in a country where we value so many things dear for those who can speak, we can overlook so many major issues surrounding those without a voice. Horses are not only great animals to be respected and admired, but they are friends as well. Hopefully we can take this small, but major step in the right direction by banning this old tradition, that has already been aloud to continue for far too long.
Spike B. Spazz
// Feb 20, 2008 at 5:57 am
All that can be said is that humans are absolutely idiotic. They say humans are the most intelligent creatures on Earth…Well, who’s saying that. Just another human.
The Earth knows better, and luckily enough, the Earth will correct this. Better yet, humanity will probably destroy itself with “knowledge”.
Spike B. Spazz
// Feb 20, 2008 at 4:00 am
i have just seen the short movie and iám just shocked how it´s possible to treat animals in this case the horses like this. the city should stop this carreage. It just need to be stoped they´re so0 many other ways to be nice and to the tourist and show theme the city and you can earn money on many more humanity ways.
// Feb 20, 2008 at 12:41 am
I’m all for the ban, but I’m just wondering…. what will become of the horses. I hope they go to sanctuaries or good homes and not….. oh I don’t even wanna say it.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I have been riding for most of my life. To watch those horses breaks my heart. Their hooves are usually in very poor condition due to the hard surface they work on. They appear to be exhausted, as they work into the early morning hours. Historically, the blinders were used to minimize spooking. However, Horses’ eyes are NOT on the front of their heads….so, by using blinders, their vision is greatly decreased. Don’t get me started about the horses on Mackinaw Island in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I live in Chile, but I know PETA, i am subscribe to them, and I get this mail, I saw the video, tears in my eyes, I am a veterinarian, I care so much for animals, if I can help in cases like this, I do it.
People, please, animals are living creatures just like us, we are they big brothers…Help them if we can…
// Feb 19, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Sad to say, in my city they just decided to try with a few Horse-Drawn Carriages,.We had not them before.Hope nobody will use them.Because if they fail,they will take them off again.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 7:30 pm
I have lived in NYC for most of my life. I never, ever took a ride in one of these carriages. I was always awe struck by these beautiful animals. They should not be subjected to NYC traffic. The taxi’s are the worst & don’t give a damn about people let alone horses. Stop the tourist thing for the sake of the horses. No more need to get hurt or die from this.
Victoria Mary Stong / Animal Rights Activist
// Feb 19, 2008 at 7:03 pm
I am a former Horsebackrider and have been in 3 Horseshows at Smoke Run Farm in Stony Brook, N.Y. while attending the upstanding private school “The Knox School”. I learned to respect Horses even more there due to the very loving, caring, professional and dedicated Riding Teachers like George Lukemire and Ms. Phebe Phillips-Burns. It horrifies me that Horses in this day and age are being used for Horse Carriages having to walk on concrete(not dirt), being subjected to all kinds of alarming, unhealthy, screeching & harassing noises, hazardous drivers, noxious fumes, accidents, lack of visibility due to blinders, extreme stress to their bones, constant strain on all of their bodies to pull a carriage and at least 1 person regularly, exposure to extreme weather, being a prisoner unable to excersize when not on the road and all the other neglect and abuse that comes along with this inhumane treatment of our beautiful majestic Horses. Many Horses are neglected of proper medical care and are not cleaned regularly to prevent infections sustained in the streets too. I pray that this ban goes into affect as soon as possible. The Horses lives are depending on it!
// Feb 19, 2008 at 5:44 pm
They are beautiful giving animals and they deserve a better life. That is no place for a horse.
If you’re going to have the horse and carriage in NYC, keep it off the busy streets and have it City run, not private. Have it monitored by a 24/7 Vet.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 5:40 pm
NYC is certainly not an environment for a horse. To be honest, I don’t approve of any carriage riding, regardless of the romance attached to it. Having taken a lesson in riding, and although the horseman was a caring man and treated his horses well, I did not feel good about putting all that equipment on the horse or the reins in his mouth — I became claustrophobic and decided against this sport. The horses should roam free in the fields– as free as we would want to be. They don’t belong to us.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Wow, I’m trying to comment but the tears will not stop.I use to live in Texas and I was around horses more than half my life.These are majestic animals and they do not belong anyplace where there is pollution, crazy drivers, fireworks, machinery, horns honking, construction, etc,.They belong in a pasture with room to run and buck and show there personalities. They all have a unique personality that is so beautiful.If you have been around horses, you know what I mean.They need grass and hay and food and water.These idiots are just making a quick buck off these animals and they are dying or becoming maimed in the process.They are beautiful animals and they do not deserve to be exploited like this.We have to stop this ASAP. Please, they need our help.They don’t want to be there.They need grass under their hooves, pastures to roam and clean air to breath.God help them all.Stop the madness.
Jackie February 19, 2008
// Feb 19, 2008 at 5:23 pm
The video says it all – the horses are suffering and the horses are in danger. The horses that have done this job for so long need to be allowed to retire at some place SAFE and PLEASANT – not some place where there will be continued abuse. Please stop this inhumane treatment of these beautiful animals.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Stop this nonsence!!!
Give those beautiful animals a place to roam and romp. Pull the carts with a small car, if you must ride in a cart.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 5:17 pm
In the Blinders piece they show horses housed in buildings. That is very true. I go to the PIER ‘S . It’s part of the Javits Center, when they have retail shows. There located at 12th ave and 52nd street. And that is where you can see these majestic beauties housed like some kind of bizarro scene. All throughout that neighborhood. It’s bizzare to say the least. I almost hate going because I know that I will see these beautiful animals just for us the public. I think that we are the real animals. We must stop this insane behavior.
Jason 'Great White' (Shark)
// Feb 19, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Thank you for bring this to my attention, I am a diehard animal rights person and I never made the obvious connection. The romantic image of the whole thing, thanks to the money greedy media, blinded my requirements for animal cruelity practice.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 4:57 pm
This shit must stop! I’m in NYC right now and you can see those horses miserable existence!! You look at people riding those carriages and you just want to get up there and slap the crap out them!!
I’m from San Diego and the same thing happens there too.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 3:34 pm
This shouldnt even be considered a TRADITION.
When i came here, they told me the horses were very well-treated! if this is well-treated , then shoot me !
horses are very intelligent animals and very deserving of their own friendly envirnnoment!
and omg ! that horse that couldnt reach his WATER !! That sucks !
// Feb 19, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I haven’t ridden a horse drawn carriage since I was in New York 6 years ago. I took my two daughters to Central Park and was disgusted with the treatment of the horses. All for the love of money. Eventually people that mistreat ANY animal will have to answer for it. Good luck to them!
// Feb 19, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I am truly amazed at the people that still pay for a carriage ride. Those are the people that support this cruel abuse to animals. Thank god for PETA being the voice of the horses. Owning a horse of my own, I can’t image her enduring this daily abuse. Horse are animals that need to roam outside in the country. Not breathing exhaust fumes daily and being subjected to crazy New Yorkers. It’s sad that this is still allowed.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 3:28 pm
I can not believe the abuse and horror done to these beautiful creatures that are just put in the middle of a city they don’t even know. I don’t understand why we are still using horses when there is public transportation-they are being trapped in cages when they should be roaming free like wild horses should. We need to ban horse drawn carriages and just take a bus, taxi, or train like every other New Yorker is doing. To continue this will be such a horror-how many more horses need to die for this to end.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 3:15 pm
even if the horses a well treated by there owner’s horse’s should not be working they should be given there right to be a horse. i was in greece on an island called spetses…. there where working horse’s there too…. taking tourist around and around all day.they where panting thirsty…….its cruel all of it!
// Feb 19, 2008 at 3:07 pm
The whole “anti PETA” bandwagon is just lame. The actual facts here are that there is no need for horse and carriages to exist. This isn’t the 1700′s. Its abusive to any animal to be forced to pull an incredibly heavy carriage though one of the most crowded chaotic cities in the world. Frankly no horse wants to be “owned” by anyone and kept in stables their whole lives. let them free andthey would be much happier. Go see the horses that live in the wild off the island of assateague island in virgina if you want proof. Owning a horse is just obnoxious to begin with and something snobby rich people and fools take part in.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 2:57 pm
to all who think it is OK for this industry to continue in NYC – I say this – come and have a look for yourself. dont listen to us. take a visit to NYC – go have a look at the line of horses. they are miserable – you can see it in their eyes. while you are here – go and have a look at their home – an 8x8ft box located on the west side highway – tons of traffic and noise – no peace- they never get to run free, play or just relax.
This must be stopped and we will not stop campaigning for this ban.
There is enough hurt and misery in this world – why do we need to continue to add to it?
// Feb 19, 2008 at 2:43 pm
It never fails to amaze me that you can have a passion for anything that is extreme-politics, human rights, etc..but when you say “animal activist” people immediatly dismiss anything you have to say because all the sudden you are an “extremist”. As for PETA even being mentioned in the same paragraph as the Holocaust..That is a hypocritical statement from someone trying to accuse PETA of being extreme! I could care less who thinks I am a “tree hugger” and a “PETA kook”..I have eyes -and sorry, being locked in a brick building while you are not exposed to traffic and other daily dangers IS my idea of cruelty. I shudder to think what the people critizing PETA think cruelty is..and lets all hope to God they are not pet owners.
// Feb 19, 2008 at 2:36 pm
The fact remains, these horses don’t belong in that environment. I lived in NY for 2.5 years and the idea that it is hard for a car to drive there, what in the minds of these people make them think that a horse can do any better. These are living, breathing creatures who need our protection from people who’s only intent is to make money off the torture and inhumane treatment of these horses.
Get off your butts and get a job! And stop making these horses live in this environment that they choose not to live in!
It is cruel and down right wrong! They deserve to live a life free from having such stress in their lives. They belong out in the fields running. Not wedged between hundreds of cars that will only be their demise! Stop being selfish and give them their lives back!
DO THE RIGHT THING!
// Feb 19, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I think back in 1920 carriage horses worked out ok but in this day and age it does not. We as humans consistently adapt to change because we are able to understand why. Animals cannot! A busy city street is not where they belong. They belong on a farm, they always have… Why don’t we let them be. You know, “live and let live”. As far as the animal abusers are concerned, well don’t get me started!!!!
// Feb 8, 2008 at 6:12 pm
i have a horse, i took him on when his owner was banned from keeping animals, thunder was used as a carriage horse, and he was left in a small brick building when he was not being used, he was never given any freedom what so ever. But thunder’s last owner is just one person, not every carriage owner is like this, most of them care very much for there animals, and if you check i can tell you now that the animal welfare service in new york keep an eye on things, if they think someone is miss treating there horse it is removed, like thunder was. i back your campand to stop those that miss treat there animals but not for those that love them and take very good care of them.
// Feb 4, 2008 at 5:43 am
Im not blaming the carriage drivers. thay may love their horses and treat them very well, but hte environment,the constantnoise, the constant danger, it must be terrifying for the horses.
// Feb 4, 2008 at 5:39 am
and honestly, ITS NOT LIKE WE NEED TO USE THEM FOR TRANSPORT ANYMORE.
// Feb 4, 2008 at 5:35 am
also, i noticed there was a post here from an experienced farrier who said that it does cause terrible damage tothe horses feet walking these ny pavements all day, so how can you justify that.
and, for anyone with stars in their eyes,musician PINK has joined the crusade to help these poor animals.
“Every time I see a horse-drawn carriage in a concrete jungle, I point and yell ‘animal cruelty’ at the top of my lungs to try to make the driver and occupants as uncomfortable as possible,” says Pink. “It honestly hurts my heart when I think of what those horses must be feeling, as far as anxiety and fear, and how unnatural and wrong it is for these animals to have blinders on, trotting up and down on concrete, while taxis blare and people scream. It’s absolutely unnatural and ignorant of us to continue this outdated tradition. What about this is romantic?”
apparently theres a petition at peta.org that you can sign, or better yet write your own personalletter to the mayor of ny or anyone important. i know i will.
// Feb 4, 2008 at 5:23 am
i guess i never really thought about it but now i have and yes, its horrible.
i dont live in ny and i never even knewthat they still had this horse ride thing going. its crazy. i’d read about how hard a life it was for carriage horsesin the past but i never imagined that this still go on.
and diane, i cant imagine what it must have been like seeing that beautiful majestic creature,and then having to pass the crash. but maybe itd be good if more people had seen it, so they would understand.
this documentary is a good thing, i want people to know howw hard it is for the horses.
we have cars now, we dont need to ride in the carriages becuase its pretty and fun, when the horses suffer.
and honestly, when youthink of how much the city pollution stuffs people up, asthma, and all that, think twhat it must be doing to the horses all day. its just sad
// Feb 1, 2008 at 4:38 pm
My GOD!!! For one, its IGNORANT. And for two, what being ignorant about something has nothing to do with being a cunt. So get your facts straight. THIRD. DID YOU NOT READ MY OTHER POSTS?? I love my horses. And YES. I do have an interest in what an animal can do> Do you own a horse? Do you know how expenseve it is to keep one? For me, i CANT keep horses unless i can get some sort of income from it. I HAVE NO CHOICE. Same as the cabbies. FOURTH. WHEN THE HORSE HAD SHOES IT does NOT hurt the hoof. Letting him walk barefoot will wear the hooves down and hurt them. Now what are YOUR shoes for? Thats right sweetie. TO KEEP YOU FEET FROM GETTING HURT WHILE WALKING OR RUNING ECT.!!!! And not everybody can afford land for “running free” as you say. You need to stop trying to state facts and trying to make yourself sound like you know what youre talking about.
// Feb 1, 2008 at 12:06 pm
It’s good to see common sense being posted here, and from a man with experience and understanding of the industry. The PETA sheep seem to do as they’re told with total faith, and that’s just socially irresponsible. Thank you for speaking up.
You have spoken like a true PETA extremist. Try to silence the opposition by using foul language and discredit people who actually have experience in the matter. You speak with emotion, but not with much knowledge. Try learning a bit about horses, (not by way of PETA marketing, but from a credible source) and you might realize how badly you’ve been duped.
Horses should never be abused, nor should any other animal. But if you are going to fight abuse, be sure you know what it is first. Well cared for and happy horses (which represent the majority) pulling carriages is not abuse. Horses being beaten is abuse. I can only hope you can figure out the difference between the two.
// Jan 31, 2008 at 5:06 pm
To kayla (cc) i looked at your myspace page and it is obvious that you know a thing or two about horses. That is why i am writing this to you. I know that if a horse is wearing shoes and walking on cement or asphalt its very painful. I know how skittish horses can be. I know that they need plenty of open space for them to run and play. I know that the city is no place for one. All i can say is that you make yourself look very ignorent, and you obviously only care about what animals can do you you, not what you can do for the animals. Please dont say these things any more, you look like a cunt for saying them.
// Jan 31, 2008 at 2:38 pm
This film is not a true depiction of most carriage operations. There are good and bad operators in every profession. It is unfair to show the bad ones and not the good. Most carriage operators love their horses and treat them as if they were a part of their own family. My horses for example are our family pets and my daughters have shown them in 4H for years. Admittedly, there are bad operators but that does not mean we should scrap the entire business. There are plenty of bad drivers but we still allow people to drive. There are bad dog and cat owners but people are still allowed to have them as pets. Carriage horses are equine athletes who love and need daily exercise. If you banned the carriage industry you would be condeming countless horses and hurting the horses as well as those “good” horse owners. There are organizations that are interested in the humane treatment of these majestic animals without condeming them to a life of poor conditions and inadequate exercise (American Horse Council and Carriage Operators of North America to list two). It is evident that some of the owners and drivers that were shown in the film are not good operators and lack the attributes to be a good operator. This is why training, education, certification, and observation is needed to insure operators and drivers are trained, qualified, and observe the basic guidelines needed to insure the humane treatment of the animals and safe operation of their carriage. Fanatic organizations like PETA only worsen the problem and do not look at the big picture. Currently in the US the horse population is out of control and current “feel good” regulations brought about because of near sighted organizations like PETA has only made the situation worse. There are two sides to every situation and rarely is only one of them correct. Before going off half cocked on a problem, get the facts.
// Jan 31, 2008 at 9:11 am
Just Some Girl: “I also question how some of you can question PETA’s motives. They are only trying to work for the good of the animals.”
Are you kidding me?? PETA are a bunch of psychos, who support domestic terrorists. They care NOTHING about animals, and in fact they kill about 97% of the animals they take in, including HEALTHY dogs & cats, without ever trying to find them a home first. Actually, they kill them in the van they pick them up in, before they ever even get to the office!
Don’t believe me? Look it up:
// Jan 31, 2008 at 1:46 am
This makes me remember the book Black Beauty which helped people become aware of the cruelty that horses had to go in the 1800s, and it is still going on today. I hope this helps people realize how horrible a life this is for horses.
// Jan 31, 2008 at 12:40 am
I had no idea that the horse draw carriages in New York go out in the streets. Are they out of their minds?! If you MUST keep the romanticism of horse-drawn carriages, AT LEAST get them out of the streets, for god’s sake! To people who said we’ve been brain washed, how is caring about a living creature brain washing? Obviously Buddhism would never work out for you. And to the guy who said why not support the troops who actually need it? Yeah, last time I checked, you can support multiple causes. And those troops chose to sign up for service, nobody forced them. These horses are being forced to work in hazardous conditions without proper care and they don’t have a choice. All for the sake of making a buck. It makes me sick.
// Jan 30, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Hey “just some girl“,
I’m sorry, but this video make no appreciable point. It does not give an honest point of view, it is not a balanced look at this industry, nor does take into consideration the desires or the enjoyment of the animals they claim to protect. The things seen are horrible in some cases, but so is seeing children hit by cars, someone falling down a flight of stairs to their death, or animals being killed in the wild by their natural predators. Life is pain, and nothing dies with dignity, it’s always messy.
To suggest that this is happening on a daily basis or with any regularity is dishonest and false. Shall we take all kids out of school since Columbine? School is an abusive place too, perhaps we should end that suffering? Or are humans not a worthy animal to even consider? Perhaps taking to steps to avoid tragedy and suffering instead of an all out ban is a reasonable step, unless reason is not your thing? Shall we nuke the planet to avoid all future suffering of any possible creature?
I’m down with stopping animal cruelty, by way of proper animal husbandry. What you see in this video is only the absolute worst case scenarios. If they gave you any sort of real picture of the situation they would get nowhere since the truth isn’t nearly as sensational as reality. PETA has stated they are for animal rights, not animal welfare, and I think that speaks volumes more than they intended. Lets say you wanted to liberate all children from their oppressive parents. Is that a responsible thing to do, or is that a foolhardy and ridiculous position to take? While not identical, the two situations are parallel in some ways, most notably the happiness of the masses. Yes, if you liberated all children, a small percentage would be better off, but the masses would be lost and unhappy. Either way, the welfare needs to be considered before rights, as rights mean little if you don’t know how to exercise them.
To suggest that all of these horses are being tortured to death is a very ignorant statement. Not ignorant as in stupid, just ignorant of the truth and reality. Draft animals enjoy pulling, unless they are in pain. Some knowledge about the animals you claim to protect would be a bit useful in the fight, unless you plan to someday liberate fish from the sea and birds from the air.
These animals have been breed for their desire to do work, and also enjoy human company. If a horse did not enjoy his work or human company, that horse was not bred, thus ending any future suffering of that lineage. Making a horse or other large animal do something they don’t want to do is a very unsuccessful endeavor, and a dangerous one for whatever human is trying to force the issue. If the horses did not enjoy what they do, there would be no equine industry. Want proof? Try riding a zebra. They will end up killing you before you got too far. Sure, a few may let it happen, but that is the reason you don’t see zebras being ridden or employed for draft work. Making a zebra work like a traditional horse would be cruelty, primarily because the animal would not enjoy itself.
PETA’s motive are not pure, and your belief that they are is way too trusting. PETA is a threat to the credibility of animal rights and animal welfare. They support terrorism, freely and openly. As a whole, most people who support and donate, even speak for PETA, believe they are doing the right thing. The truth of what PETA is all about would likely cause concern for any donor or spokesman truly concerned for animals. To believe any form of terrorism is acceptable, even if for a good cause, is truly a flawed and dangerous state of mind, regardless how you justify it.
There are plenty of other good animal welfare groups out there who aren’t as well known, yet are much more ethical about their motives and the practices. Sensationalism does not equal credibility or truth. I am all about animal welfare and stopping any abuse or cruelty. PETA’s definition of abuse is false and not considerate of the animals they claim to protect. You might as well put an atheist in charge of religion, an idiot in charge of education, or war monger in charge of the peace corp. For an animal rights group they seem to know very little about the nature of the animals they claim to protect, and that is a dangerous thing.
Just Some Girl
// Jan 30, 2008 at 7:18 pm
The video makes a good point. I know a lot of you believe that the ban would kill a lot of animals, but it could also save thousands of more from going towered the cruel fate. They are currently being tortured to death slowly. Besides, if you think of how many people actually would be willing to take the horses, it may be for the better.
I also question how some of you can question PETA’s motives. They are only trying to work for the good of the animals. As many people have said before, there is no outcome without a consiquence. So think of it this way. What COULD happen if it was set into motion? I am not saying ones right and ones wrong, but look at it from their eyes. These people are only trying to stop injustice that is being delievered to those who can feel, but not speak.
I am sorry if I offend anyone, but that is my own personal opinion.
// Jan 29, 2008 at 5:24 pm
ahhhhhhhh.. this shits pointless….. some people are just so wrapped up in their opinions (that are formed by propoganda) they assume theyre right and that this dumbass movie is automatically correct… its ubsurd.. get over PETA….
Ashleigh - Perth Australia
// Jan 29, 2008 at 12:28 am
Fuk…thats fukin cruel
// Jan 28, 2008 at 11:24 am
I never knew. That was horrifying. Thank you for making this movie.
// Jan 28, 2008 at 9:00 am
I don’t think Pink has the BRAINS; nevermind the guts…
I saw an interview where they asked her why she joined up with PETA, and her response was [insert airheaded, blank staring, blonde valley girl voice here] “because i love deh animalllls…”
OK, Pink, go back to grabbing girls, it’s what you do best.
// Jan 28, 2008 at 8:44 am
I think so far Ryan has made the best point. What DOES happen to the horses that are currently carriage horses if this ban is set?
Its like a no win situation. Those that are already “employed” as carriage horses will most likely be sold and killed or just killed and if we keep carriage horses around NYC than more horses will be abused and killed in the long run.
A long time ago I’m sure horses being on the streets was just fine, but now things have so incredibly changed. They can’t go on like this. It makes me sad to think we live in one of the “greatest cities” and yet this is how we are still treating our animals.
Something HAS to be done. And to be honest, I hope PETA stays out of it because like someone else said, they’d rather see the animal dead. They like to seem like they are out for the animal but kill more animals than one can count. Ugh.
// Jan 27, 2008 at 8:43 am
Thank you for your kind words. I am just a lay person who understands things and sees them for what they are. I find it obscene that people take up causes, on either side, without truly trying to understand the issues at hand. I’ve never been involved in the carriage industry, but it didn’t take much reading to get caught up, something other people should try.
You can click on my name to see my blog, which is fairly new, and I’ll likely be writing a piece about this issue. You can contact me there if you like.
I’m glad to see that at least you have considered the aftermath such a ban would create. Imposing reasonable and effective regulations would still be the best solution for all involved, most importantly for the horses. Baning them would be signing more than a few death warrants, even if speaking solely in a spiritual manner. But it seems PETA would rather an animal be dead or extinct than serve any human purpose, so maybe they’re OK with this?
Extremism like that found at PETA is what starts wars, allows holocausts, and takes down buildings with airliners. I would gladly back an animal rights group that had a level head about the issues. Any animal rights organization that refuses to take an animal’s happiness or will into consideration is not rightfully an animal rights movement, it is a self serving human interest group with animals as a vehicle. It’s a damn shame so many have bought into it hook line and sinker. I’m a huge Pink fan too. I feel she has been used and exploited more than if she’d done raunch porn. I hope she can save face and pull out with a realization of the facts, perhaps turning the tables on PETA, but I doubt she is brave enough.
// Jan 26, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Your posts are awesome. If I didn’t know better, I’d think you had some experience in the carriage industry. Maybe we should talk??
// Jan 26, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Times have changed. Cities grow and expand. Traffic is heavier than ever before (at least in my city which isn’t NYC). There isn’t room for horse drawn carriages on the city streets. And while people will argue that the horses are well kept or their drivers love them, the end of the story is these animals are dead on their feet. It’s always sad to see things come to an end but change is part of life. The biggest concern should be what will be done with these animals once they are no longer being used? My guess is some will be kept as pets but many will suffer further. Chances are that if those horses aren’t making their own money, they will not be eating and will eventually die to neglect/starvation or will be sold to a kill buyer. While horse slaughter isn’t legal here in the USA, it IS in Canada and Mexico. Who’s going to stand up for these horses once they are out of work? Perhaps the folks trying to ban horse drawn carriages should be also promoting their care once their owners ditch them.
// Jan 25, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Damn good points. If it was SUCH a problem, then there would be dozens of accidents every single day…not one here….aother one there a few weeks to a few months later…it would happen so much that insurance costs would be thru the roof and no one could afford to own one of these businesses.
So let’s wake up and stop using the unfortunate few examples as a reason to end it all. Gorw some brains, poeple.
Oh, and to all those who say they have horses and love them and ride tham and take good care of them:
Know this, and know it well: If you support PETA, then you are jeapordizing your right to have ANYTHING to do with horses – if it were up to PETA, no one could own, ride, care for, etc. etc. any animal whatsoever.
No horses, no dogs, no cats, no birds, no lizards, no snakes, no turtles, no NOTHIN!!
Not even companion animals for the elderly!!
Not even seeing eye dogs for the blind!!
Not even bomb sniffing dogs at the airport!!!
Not even rescue dogs after an earthquake!!
But yet, one of their top people has diabetes and uses insulin from horses. For the love of God, can you say COMPLETE HYPOCRITE?!!!
And then PETA turns around and kills 99% of the animals it takes in…including healthy puppies that they kill in vans before even getting to their facilities and even thinking of trying to find a home for them, then dumping their bodies in the trash, and getting arrested for animal cruelty.
Look it up: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8255324/
Does everyone not see how insane these people are?!
TO PETA: F*CK YOU, YOU INSANE B*STARDS!!
TO PINK: F*CK YOU, YOU STUPID MORON FOR JOINING UP WITH THESE PSYCHOS!!
I can’t believe the Terminatrix actually made out with you, you half man!
// Jan 24, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Bridget: I think it’s just plain bad luck to know you, judging from all the accidents that have happened to people close to you.
Your mom, your aunt, your cousin, and your uncle.
// Jan 24, 2008 at 9:45 pm
I am sorry for your loss. I can see that you at least have the sense not to buy everything PETA is selling, and I applaud you for that. One thing that needs to be taken into consideration is how horses or conditioned to the city.
If you take a bushman from some remote and primitive village, plop him in the middle of New York, and gauge his response, you’ll see a man loose his mind in short order. Take that man’s newborn and raise him in the city, the city will not be at all traumatic and he may flourish in the city. Horses can be spooked, and perhaps the horses should have some sort of stimulus test they would have to pass before being aloud to work in the city?
Some may consider that inhumane, but why not lessen the risk by disqualifying horses who spook or react poorly to city stimulus? Allow those who don’t mind the city to work there and place the one’s who don’t in a more tranquil setting. Not all horses spook, and some certainly see the city in which they work as a familiar and, as hard as this may be to fathom, an enjoyable place.
One of my bigger issues I have with PETA, which there are many, is that while they claim to treat animals ethically, they seem to have no consideration for what makes animals happy. Some animals LIVE for human contact, something that is now apart of their genetic makeup. To not consider that is to not consider the animal itself, and that is contrary to the cause they claim to fight for.
I think you are biased to the issue, and rightly so given your history. I just think there should be a solution that is more reasonable that would serve all interests involved, not one side or the other. Steps have apparently been taken, with the limits of service and other efforts.
Certain horses should not be there, that is clear. A humane process in which to discover that would be a good solution. You can’t, however, limit danger to horses in general, as a horse could be living the perfect PETA idealized existence and still suffer a fatal injury.
Just as making drunk driving was an appropriate step as opposed to banning cars, we should allow only horses comfortable with city conditions operate withing the city, as opposed to banning them altogether?
Reason is the key to solving problems. Emotion just makes us aware of problems, and does little to create a solution.
// Jan 24, 2008 at 8:37 pm
WE MUST STOP THIS!!! Not only in NYC but also in all big cities like Montreal
// Jan 24, 2008 at 8:11 pm
What about emergency vehicles trying to get around horses. What if you or your family members were the ones waiting on that emergency vehicle and had to wait a long time because a horse was impeding traffic? When you are in an emergency waiting for help, even one minute feels like a lifetime. At least vehicles can move out of the way fairly easy and if they don’t they can be ticketed for not giving the emergency vehicle the right of way. I don’t think the horses care for the loud sirens, which may freak them out. Doesn’t sound safe to me and being a nurse I am all about safety and prevention.
// Jan 24, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Scrap5000, yes I know that millions of things kill millions of people- I am a nurse and deal with death and dying every day. If there is a way to minimize the possibility, why not? I have had an aunt and cousin killed by a drunk driver-experts know that drinking and driving is dangerous, so it’s against the law. I had an uncle step off a sidewalk into the street and get killed by a driver. In cases like that, and the driver is found liable they are charged with reckless driving/manslaughter/or whatever the case may be and sent to jail. There are laws out there to deter things from happening and minimize the possibility of a tragedy. I am not saying ban carriage rides- I am saying ban them in cities where there is a lot of auto and foot traffic that may make the horse nervous. How can that be safe, especially in NYC where you have impatient New York drivers and VERY impatient taxi drivers just trying to make more money, driving recklessly, and endangering the horses and the people riding in the back. I have seen first hand how NYC drivers drive. We almost got hit crossing in a crosswalk. They have their own rules there-where most pedestrians have the right of way, in NYC the drivers think they have the right of way. They aren’t going to wait on a horse to get by, especially when they don’t even care about humans. So what is irrational about that??? I believe there are way too many laws out there that should be taken off the books and like I said before, I don’t agree with everything PETA agrees with. They believe that I should not have my dogs and cats as pets. And yes, I kill mosquitoes and other bugs. But I will stand behind them on this matter. They are looking out for the horses’ best interests.
// Jan 24, 2008 at 7:02 pm
“CC” I’m sorry for what happened with you too and your accident, but I think you misunderstood my statement. I am NOT blaming the horse that killed my mother. I think horses are beautiful creatures, I even had a pony when I was younger, but they can be weird and get spooked so easily. My pony used to escape from her fence and run through the neighborhood. We always worried that she was going to get hit by a car. We finally gave her to relatives that had a lot more land and a place for her to be free. That’s how they should be-out in the open where they can run free, not in a congested city with cars flying by honking horns. Wouldn’t that make you nervous? I don’t see how anyone thinks this is ok. That to me is abuse. The carriage companies and the cities don’t care. It’s all about the almighty dollar with them. I felt it was not right to have them in the city before my Mom died. Only now I feel more passionate about it. I have been to NYC and know there are other places in the city to let the horses do the “work” they so enjoy. Like maybe Central Park or some other park. Not in the middle of traffic. I feel bad for the horses too- the ones that have been killed by speeding cars or the ones that get spooked and run into trees and cars and end up having to be euthanized. I don’t even agree with everything PETA does, but I do suppport this, as I’ve seen the horses being mistreated with my own eyes. How many horses and people have to die before these cities stand up and say “hey maybe this isn’t such a great idea.” If they have had a family member killed by a spooked horse they may change their minds. I don’t want anyone else to have to go through this and that’s why I support this ban!
// Jan 24, 2008 at 6:23 pm
what’s the point of PETA trying to ban these things? Not just horse drawn carriages but hunting, fishing, even owning pets! ban any of these for a week or even a day and see what happens. I can tell you right now that it won’t be a pretty sight. I do not at all believe animals should be abused in any way, but it’s just plain stupidity to say that we should put an end to things people enjoy.
// Jan 24, 2008 at 1:16 pm
This is horrible. I never would have known. WE MUST STOP THIS!!! TODAY!
// Jan 24, 2008 at 11:00 am
Bridget: Sorry about your loss.
But millions of things kill millions of people, and we can’t possibly ban everything that could potentially kill us, or we will have NOTHING left in this world, including babies (“because, you know, childbirth is dangerous and can kill the mother!”).
As a society we keep moving towards this irrational goal of outlawing all these “dangerous” things, and we have to draw the line somewhere.
Now is definitely time to draw the line.
What if you mom had been crushed by a tree that was struck by lightning? Should we ban trees then? Because your idea of banning horses in the city follows the same irrational logic.
Stuff happens….it’s part of life. I’m sorry again for your loss, but that’s just part of the experience.
Every thing and every one dies, period. No matter what some cartoon movies and fairy tales would have you believe.
So live every day like it’s your last, and enjoy all life has to offer!
And that includes not driving yourself crazy trying to ban this thing or that thing because of your loss.
// Jan 23, 2008 at 3:28 pm
“Bridget” Im sorry for your loss… But you also have to think of the PETA and animal activists that purposely spook them to prove an ubsurd point. Accidents happen, its nobodys fault. Its not logical to ban everything that takes things from us. And dont you dare say i dont know what you experanced. A few years ago, me and my sister went riding, we went across a road and a car came around, her horse spooked and slipped in the road. you can probablyfill in the rest. The horse lived. But i dont blame him for the accident, and still have him. Banning things you cant control is wrong. The horses are well taken care of and its the arrogant people who dont slow down for the horses, always run up to them, dont slow the cars down, or momentarly cease work when a horse passes. Think about it. But i am truly sorry for your loss.
“katie” How many of those accidents were from the irresponsability of people???
// Jan 23, 2008 at 11:43 am
May 3, 1984 changed my life forever. My Mom, who was selling her art at the marketplace in Charleston, SC was killed when a horse trampled her. The investigators think the horses were spooked by workers using jack hammers. The driver of the carriage was thrown off, injured, and had to be hospitalized. The horse broke loose from the carriage and ran through the market area jumping over tables and eventually trampling my Mom. The doctors could not save her due to all of her internal organs being damaged. I remember visiting my Mom a week before her death and a horse drawn carriage came by with a newly married couple in the back. My Mom and I both commented that the horses did NOT need to be down there with so many tourists and cars. We talked about how dangerous that was. That was a time when they started making the horses wear diapers too. My Dad sued and settled out of court. Some of my siblings and I felt that it needed to go to court to ensure that this did not happen again. It wasn’t about the money and by the way, my dad got less than half than he was suing for. No amount of money can take away the hurt I have felt for 24 years. I think about my Mom every day. My kids never got to know their grandmother and have missed out on so much. Not long after my Mom’s death another horse broke loose from it’s carriage and almost hit some young children. Luckily no one was hurt in that incident. When I lived in New Orleans a mule broke loose from it’s carriage and went through the windshield of a car and it’s legs landed in between the passenger’s legs. I support this petition to ban the horse drawn carriages. It is unsafe for the horses and innocent bystanders.
// Jan 23, 2008 at 11:30 am
Oh, and I forgot to mention one of the hugest killers of all – malaria.
OVER A MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR DIE FROM MALARIA.
That’s over 2,700 human beings A DAY.
So Katie, on each of those days that you listed a poor horsey having an accident, TWO THOUSAND, SEVEN HUNDRED members of your own species died from this one disease alone.
Wake up and put some energy into doing something good for your own species instead.
By the way, do you know what causes malaria?
And if you litsten to PETA, we should never kill ANY creatures at all, because “a mosquito is a dog is a boy”.
So the mosquitos that kill a million people a year should not be harmed; I guess we should just let our fellow one million people die every year instead.
STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!!
And all of you who are so brainwashed and blind to the stupidity of that should be bitten by hordes of those mosquitos.
When all of you morons are gone then people with brains can step in and make things right again.
// Jan 23, 2008 at 1:24 am
RE: Fact sheet statistics…
If PETA wants to make a case for the safety of these horses they should start with a better case. The issue is NewYork, yet they give NATIONAL statistics. I counted the incidents in the last year in New York. 5 total incidents, involving two deaths of horses, one which seemed to be a health issue rather than an accident. The carriage driver in that case deserved a good whipping for abusing the horse, which I’m adamantly against. So the actual accident count is about 4 in the year of September 06-07, according to PETA, with a fifth incident involving abuse and a death.
From a safety standpoint, these are extremely good numbers. 4 accidents and 2 deaths within a year in New York? In that concentration of wild horses you are likely to find higher death and accident rates. Compare them to pedestrian, bicycle, auto, and perhaps even public transport and I doubt you will find accident numbers and fatalities nearly as low. I would have expected many more mathematically. Looks as though New York has a fairly decent grasp on the situation, though there is certainly always room for improvement. I’d like to think the Carriage driver involved in the death of Juliet September 14th 06, was brought up on charges, but I don’t have that information. Fighting towards making horse abuse a felony offense would be a reasonable and noble cause. A citywide ban is not, certainly not at these numbers.
Emotion is a handy tool when fighting for a cause, and animal welfare is a worthy cause, so long as it is justified by actual issues and not just rare incidents. Using emotion alone rather than facts is propagandist and irresponsible. The Bush administration did the same thing, are you happy with that scenario? Unless you consider an issue from both sides you really have no business taking a firm stance either way.
I guess PETA is a business like any other, and even bad press is good advertising for more donations. Follow the money. PETA wants to stay alive, so creating issues is a way to generate revenue. The cause is a noble one, but they have perverted it by not being forthcoming or reasonable, not to mention having ideals that are completely impossible and downright nutty.
I love animals, but to suggest we should never benefit from the labor or otherwise from any animal is downright absurd. I’ll go back to dogs. When treated right, they love to perform work for man, they have 15,000 years of genetics driving them to serve us, in turn making them happy. PETA would have you believe that a dog pulling a cart is abuse. The truth is that some dogs are the happiest in their harness pulling, just as working out makes some humans happy. Sure, strapping a Westy to a wagon won’t go over well, and an animal should never be overloaded. But you take a Malamute dog, or a Belgian horse for that matter, and they will be the happiest pulling a load of some sort, so long as the conditions are good. Animal rights are important, but so is preserving what makes them happy, a topic that seems to be overlooked.
// Jan 23, 2008 at 1:07 am
And your point is….WHAT?
Pick any one of those dates, and you will find thousands, if not MILLIONS, of car, train, bus, truck, plane, ship, walking, running, jogging, hiking, slipping in the bathtub, falling down stairs, slipped on ice, electrocution, drowning, suicide, homicide, trampled, crushed, burned, hypothermia, heart attack, stroke, cancer, amyloidosis, aneuryisms, war, genocide, earthquake, tornado, tsunami, hurricane, typhoon, choking, hiv, rabies, shark attack, snakebite, spider bite, bee sting, ant sting, drug overdose, poisoning, medical malpractice, starvation, dehydration and exposure deaths of human beings. Just to name a few.
In light of that, your listing of 9 incidents of horses that had accidents is absolutely meaningless.
So I repeat…YOUR POINT IS WHAT?!
Wake up, people!!! Every living thing dies!!
And most every living thing has an accident or two in its lifetime, before it dies.
THAT IS LIFE!!
// Jan 22, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Horse-Drawn Carriages Factsheet – Page 1 of 7 – Updated November 26, 2007
Incidents Involving Horse-Drawn Carriages
The following is a partial listing of incidents involving horses used in carriage operations. Contact PETA for documentation.
September 14, 2007/New York, New York: A horse who was spooked by a street performer’s drum ran nearly a block along the sidewalk before slamming into a tree and dying. The horse’s panic caused a second horse—who was still attached to a carriage—to dart into traffic and collide with a car.
August 17, 2007/Cincinnati, Ohio: A taxi cab hit the back of a carriage, knocking the carriage driver and the two passengers out of the buggy. The horse—with a carriage in tow—bolted and then ran into a moving vehicle. The horse sustained a gash on one of his or her legs, and the driver was taken to the hospital with a leg injury.
August 7, 2007/Montréal, Québec: A horse pulling a carriage used for tourists was spooked by the sound of a jackhammer, ran through a red light, and crashed into a truck. The driver was thrown off the carriage and taken from the scene by ambulance. The carriage was destroyed.
July 29, 2007/Roanoke, Virginia: Three people, including a 4-year-old girl and a 15-year-old girl, were hospitalized after being thrown out of a runaway horse-drawn carriage. The carriage’s two horses bolted, and the driver lost control. The 15-year-old’s leg was run over by the carriage.
July 4, 2007/New York, New York: A frightened carriage horse bolted away from his driver and collided with a taxi on Central Park S. A motorcyclist abandoned his bike in order to avoid the horse. The cab driver was treated for injuries at the hospital, the horse suffered several gashes on one leg, and the cab sustained significant front-end damage.
June 17, 2007/Council Grove, Kansas: A car crashed into the back of a horse-drawn carriage, as did a second car, which hit the rear of the other car. Two people were treated for injuries at the hospital. The horse was euthanized because of severe injuries.
June 9, 2007/St. Augustine, Florida: Five passengers jumped out of a carriage when a horse bolted away from his driver and ran for several blocks. Two people were injured, including one who was taken to the hospital to be treated for injuries.
June 2, 2007/New York, New York: A spooked carriage horse galloped away from his driver and was hit by an SUV in an intersection. When the horse fell, the carriage broke loose, was propelled into the air, and landed on the curb, barely missing pedestrians.
April 30, 2007/Blacksburg, Virginia: Two horses were spooked when the carriage they were pulling side-swiped a curb. They bolted and ran at least a half-mile. A 73-year-old man and his daughter were thrown out of the carriage. The man had to be air-lifted to the hospital.
To view the rest visit: http://blog.peta.org/archives/HDC%20Factsheet.pdf
// Jan 22, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Ryan , that was the most logical, rational, level headed, intelligent, well thought out comment I have ever read anywhere.
Excapt that I must point out that PETA is nothing but a bunch of hypocrites, run by a bunch of Reaction Formation cases (people who have a lot of hatred and anger and know that it’s wrong, so they try to disguise it by directing their anger and violence to things they can justify as “a just cause”. Very dangerous people.)
So to all of you animal rights morons – read what he wrote carefully, and use your heads for a change.
// Jan 22, 2008 at 9:47 am
people. this is one of the cruelest things i have ever seen in my life.this should NEVER have been aloud ! i don’t care if yee all think its a tradition its cruelty to animals! would yee like it if we asked you to fun around all day in your bare feet!no!did’nt think so, so why should the poor horses have to go through with this abuse.the roads are damaging their hoofs and and legs! i hate people who abuse and neglect animals this is NOT right. STOP it now. what have animals ever done to yee, just because yee are selfish and and dont care what the poor animals are going through! i mean it STOP it right now..p!nk i am with you the whole way you are my idol forever and you will get them to stop all of this i believe in you and so does all your fans ! love you p!nk!..xx and once again STOP animal cruelity right this minute..
// Jan 21, 2008 at 4:22 pm
“I hate Sweet16″……… lolololololololololololololol haha thats funny.. you hate me and dont know me…lol heh. simply stating an opinion…. and just because a horse is retired does not mean is going to slaughter.. hell, weve had a bunch of horses that we retired to live to ripe old agesand died in our pasture. And you know what? they dont die slow agonizing deaths. (aside for one, but thats an exception. it was a lughtning accident and she was put to sleep on the spot). and haha think of this…… why dont we get rid of people?? Why? Well, animals have been here longer. and that solves all problems… world hunger, aids, animal abuse….. but DAMN!!!!! PETA IS LYING!!!!!!!! CAN YOU BONEHEADS GET THAT????
// Jan 21, 2008 at 10:13 am
Oh I just give up on you morons who use emotion instead of logic to look at the world. You remind of the people who say to Terrorists “Arms are for hugging….not fighting!” and then the terrorists draw straws for which one gets to cut off your arms.
And this line by Myst says it all:
“and third americans are fat (even though I’m one of them, i don’t plan on being an American for long)”
Well then hurry up and GET THE F*CK OUT!!
No one who made this country great wants you here anymore.
No one who died on foreign OR domestic land to protect your skinny ass’ right to say such stupid things should have done so, because you are not worth dying for, you piece of crap!!
Go live in Cuba or Venezuela or China, where you will be treated 100x worse than these horses of NYC!!
Or go live in France, along with all the other yellow bellied cowards who would be Hitler’s bitches right now if not for AMERICA, yet never appreciate all the american blood that was spilled for them.
You people make me sick.
// Jan 20, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Life is pain. If you want animals to live, you must concede that they will suffer at some point in their lives. Accidents and death occur to all living things, and the only way to stop that is to end all life. Is that what PETA wants?
This industry needs to be monitored closely for abuses. For example, the horse that was spooked probably shouldn’t be in the city, whereas other horses clearly enjoy what they do and the city is the home they enjoy. Just like humans, some prefer the country, other the city.
Many animals, including horses, dogs, mules, and oxen, actually enjoy the work that they do for humans. None of them enjoy being abused, and none ever should be. But utilizing an animal in a humane way should be admired and encouraged, so long as the animal in question enjoys the work.
As an example, my dog’s day is greatly improved when I hide from her in a field and she finds me using her nose. Performing this task makes her feel wonderful, evident in her body language. She gets to “hunt” for me. It gives her purpose, and she is actually healthier as a result. Animals can get depressed too, and for animals used to working for humans, not having a “rewarding” job to do is the real torture. The “rewarding” part is key, however.
I’m sure that the makers of this film will disagree, but many of the horses in the film looked as though they were walking with pride, something that doesn’t happen when in fear. (something PETA would try to convince you is their constant state of emotion)
As for the accidents and incidents seen in this film, more could be done by increasing the fines to humans causing the problems, along with better education. Stout fines for injury to horses and not giving carriages the right of way would be a start, along with restricting carriage use to lower traffic areas.
Additionally, would be do-gooders should note that horse travel is green, since the CO2 expelled is recovered by the process in which their food grows. They do not consume fossil fuels and therefore do not contribute to total greenhouse concentration in a significant way.
Before being convinced the world is falling, take a closer look. Sometimes it actually is, but be wary of the motives of those who sell sensationalism and extremism. Many Germans were sold on the idea that Jews and the disabled were a threat to their society, and we know how that turned out. Those who examined the truth from a realistic point of view either fought the movement or left Germany.
While PETA is not militant like the Nazis were, they are imposing their views using propaganda, fear, and terror, and their ideals are just as extreme and unrealistic, even if less bloody. That said, they do some good work, but then the Nazis built the Autobahn…
History is remembered for a reason. PETA is not a Nazi organization, and they certainly hold different values and goals. However, not acknowledging the parallels is a mistake of social and HUMANE conscience.
Stop animal cruelty for sure, but just be sure you understand what cruelty really is, and even more important, be sure the organization you support understands as well. It may not seem so, but even if it benefits a few unhappy horses, banning carriages may be the worst thing you can do for those horses. Imagine how those effected by Enron felt and you might get the picture. Rely on your head, not your emotional reflexes, when deciding the fates of others.
// Jan 20, 2008 at 8:10 pm
I think that this video has no relevence to the truth. Somebody said that all the fumes were bad for the horse. Uh what about the humans that also have to breathe that air, plus shouldnt that suggest a cleaner environment in New York? The aniamals are usaully seen with their feeding bags on because a horse that subborn, if they are really hungery they wont move. The movie also says the horse are easily scared, and that is why they have the black lids over their eyes so they arent distracted
// Jan 20, 2008 at 4:23 pm
This is an unnecessary, frivolous, and archaic practice. We no longer need horses to be treated in this manner, it is purely for selfish reasons. AMANDA – I don’t doubt your love for horses. But how much can you really love something when you subject it to a hard life? Do you really think that breathing in exhaust and walking through traffic is safe for something you love?
This petition is a 2 year program to give the drivers a chance to find homes for the horses. If they love the horses as much as you say, they should be able to find loving homes for them. This will also give them a chance to find new jobs that don’t focus on the exploitation of innocent life.
I hate Sweet16
// Jan 20, 2008 at 12:25 pm
ok first of all it can’t be good for the horses breathing in the polluted smells of new york.
There are almost NO liveable condtions there.
Plus kids are evil they might decide it’d be funny to scare the horse on purpose.i’ve seen it happen.
The horses DON’T belong there.
it’s VERY unnessacary!
Horses belong out on the country side.
and plus you know what happens to those horses after they retire they most likely head to the slaughter house.But they died old,tired,and unhappy.
So really this is a simple and avoidable problem!
// Jan 20, 2008 at 8:36 am
This is Horrible!!! first of all the horses shouldn’t be treated this way. second of all the horses might be bred to do this but in nature are you going to see a horse carrying around a carriage on its back because it likes to? and third americans are fat (even though I’m one of them, i don’t plan on being an American for long) and they should get some exercise instead of asking the horse to carry all their weight. fourth and we should not have illegal immigrants carry the carriages because first that would look sorta retarded nd second we want to stop the animal abuse but also stop the human abuse. fifth these horses are majestic creatures that shouldn’t be treated this way. they have so many other things and places they could be doing and being at. If you go to Colorado and go to the mountains and to some of the ranches there, the horses are not treated like they are in NYC. Horses don’t belong in the city they belong in the wilderness adn big pastures where they can graze and frolic. Let horses be horses and don’t make them do your dirty work!!!
// Jan 20, 2008 at 7:58 am
Do you people not realize that they DO have laws preventing horses from being out on the city streets when it’s to hot or cold? Do you also understand that the drivers are made to carry a travel ticket showing how long the animal has been on the street? And the NYPD checks their tickets regularly? And if they dont have one, the horse is sent in for the DAY? Not to mention the regular intense amounts of money these drivers put into the horses footcare, because any animal walking on pavement with a NORMAL GAIT has obviously been receiving excellent care. Just because you can see a few ribs, as a photo in the video shows, does NOT mean the horse is UNDERFED! My horse had a few ribs showing too, and she was fed twice daily and had hours of grazing time.
On yet another note, do you UNDERSTAND that a lot of these drivers love their horses more than ANYTHING?
Keep in mind.. a lot of these carriage drivers have saved their horses from slaughter. I know at least 3 personally.
Just because you dont understand something does NOT make it cruel. My neighbors horse was hit by a truck and killed on a country road. Accidents happen.
// Jan 20, 2008 at 7:12 am
and kelsea.. please go to get help… i think youre a little wack with all the “GOD” “were all gonna die and burn in hell!!!” shit… wow, it terrible to read. it makes you sound a little mental………. well maybe alot…..
// Jan 20, 2008 at 7:08 am
OKAY!!!!! For all of you damn “GOD” people, Does is not say in the bible no to worship his creations more than the creator?? What to you call ” THE WORLS IS GOING TO END IF WE DONT STOP THIS!!!!”? How many times have i said before. The carrages arenot heavy to the horses, theyre BRED to do. By means of biotechnology thats been used for thousands of youes, selective breeding enables us to breed stronger horses. And The god-damned feet, THEY HAVE SHOES ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the cabbie isnt going to let it stay lame!!!!! Youre so narrow minded. Form your own opinions, without PETA helping to shape them with lies that so many of you believe. GET OFF IT!!!!!!!
// Jan 20, 2008 at 6:46 am
LEAVE THE HORSES OUT IN THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY BELONG. IF YOU NEED SOMETHING TO PULL THE WAGONS USE THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
// Jan 19, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Please stop using horses in this way.
// Jan 19, 2008 at 8:44 pm
I’m from Australia and i went to New York last year
part of the trip was to go on a horse ride i couldn’t believe how many there were… after seeing this video it shows that horses really are not suppose to be there.. its like they are living a different life being dumped in chaos its ridiculous even knowing the owners have permits people in charge really need to check up on the horses although the person who took us was very nice and told us the care he takes with the horses..we all know not everyone is like that especially people who will make money anyway they can . thats video is affective……
// Jan 19, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I have a passion and its my horses. I love them to death. I’m 18 and I have been around wild and “tame” hoses for almost all my life. It makes me want to break down and cry when I see these magestic animals being used and abused. There are soo many things these animals can do, and this sould NOT be one of them!
// Jan 19, 2008 at 1:50 pm
You animal rights people are without a doubt the biggest bunch of morons ever to walk on this planet.
Learn it, and wake up, you friggin sheep.
Should we ban the people who give bike rides, too? They are in traffic.
Should we ban the hot dog vendors? They are right next to traffic.
Should we ban traffic officers? They are in traffic.
Grow up an realize that life isn’t all rainbows and butterflies!!
Maybe if this country went thru another depression and you had to worry about where your next meal was coming from then you’d wake up as to what the hell is important. Too much free friggin time on your hands makes your empty brains wander.
Put your time, effort & money into helping your fellow human beings instead, you misguided morons.
AND THEY SUPPORT DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!!
// Jan 19, 2008 at 7:43 am
The way these animals are treated is terrifying. They are forced to walk and walk and avoid being hit when they can’t see whose around them half the time.
// Jan 18, 2008 at 8:36 pm
i just want to mention to the person who says we should support the troops instead of the horses..it breaks my heart everytime i hear of another fallen soldier…but then i think, well that soldier was never forced to go fight a war in some other country..there’s no draft, it’s a choice that human made as a consenting adult..peace and love
// Jan 18, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Horses do NOT belong in New York City. Saving the human race is irrelevant to this issue. It is our fault that animals are being treated like this and it simply needs to stop.
// Jan 18, 2008 at 4:20 pm
I don’t think you understand what Ross is saying. Instead of spending all of our time on animals let’s spend a little more time on human beings. With all the crap going on in the world right now people could really use some help about now. HERE’S A THOUGHT, instead of support the !%@#ing horses, let’s support the troops who actually need it!!!
// Jan 18, 2008 at 10:58 am
I’m always amazed at some of the people writing in. Especially those that reference starving kids in Africa and Human Beings elsewhere. Face it, Morons, we will never solve all the problems that beguile humans all over this planet, but does that mean we should ignore animals, orrather the cruel treatment the endure? Do us a favor you ignorant F*&#s, go kill yourselves and ease the burden of overpopulation.
// Jan 18, 2008 at 9:41 am
oh my god i have never been anywhere where they have horse drawn carriages, but from what i saw, i never knew they made them do it in the middle of the road with all the cars and taxis..this is horrible..i support the ban..these poor horses shouldnt be taunted this way..its appaling!
// Jan 18, 2008 at 9:16 am
Will these magnificent, intelligent, and social ‘coinhabitants’ of Earth ever be at peace? If they are not being abused and exploited on the streets of NYC they are being sent to the slaughter house, or shipped overseas for human consumption. It’s unimaginable to think that the people responsible for their misery actually believe it to be their God given right!@#!!!! Not what I would want to be remembered for, New York….So sad:(
// Jan 18, 2008 at 8:15 am
Instead of railing against PETA, why don’t you put your money where your mouth is, better yet put your time, efforts and money where your mouth is and go over to Africa and help the starving children over there. Maybe take your efforts to promote birth control, have them quit cutting down trees and eating gorrillas, and have them quit chopping the heads, hands and feet off of one another.
Horses in NYC have nothing to do with kids in Africa you lame brain.
// Jan 18, 2008 at 4:39 am
Horses are not bred to do this!! Horses have very strong flight instincts, doesn’t bloody matter if they are trained they keep their instincts and that is to run as fast away from something scary. That is why these accidents happen. Horses will never fit into a city because of this.
Their make up is also not suited for those hard concrete pavements! I bet you no carriage horse a day over 10 years old doesn’t have extremely painful leg damage from it. THEY ARE NOT MADE FOR IT!
Horses that compete and show jump and event have cooling gel and bandages and ice packs put on after competitions and they don’t even get worked on bloody concrete!
Humans can leave the bloody city if they want to, we know the risks. Horses do not!
Horses are born and have been for hundreds of years to be kept in a large area when not working, they are naturally claustrophobic so they bloody hell can’t live in a cell all their life for god sakes! I know some people stable their horses and that is fine as long as they get time in a paddock, proper bedding and PROPER CARE.
By the way, humans will not be here if it wasn’t for horses. Every foot print of a pioneer was beside a hoof print of a horse that was with him.
// Jan 17, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Do humans not regularly meet the same grizzly fate in NYC traffic? Perhaps we should ban people from traversing the city streets. These horses are not wild, they need someone to take care of them; they belong with humans. The only way for these animals to avoid suffering is if we allow them all to become extinct.
// Jan 17, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Perhaps instead of outright banning them they could enforce strict laws on where they can be how many hours a horse can be out per day, ban them being out at all if its too hot or too cold. making sure they get plenty of food and water. ans under no circumstances let them be on any street with cars. It is possible to keep tradition alive and still show care and respect for the animals.
// Jan 17, 2008 at 8:12 pm
You people are CRAZY… PETA is stupid and way too concerned about “animal” rights. I think after every single human problem is solved, then we can start worrying about the animals. who gives a crap about HORSES pulling carriages, when there are millions of starving kids in Africa. In the trailer they are focused on the whether the horse was ok more than the person driving the car. Get a life. This was the stupidest video I’ve ever seen, screw Pink, nasty tramp. You PETA guys stop bugging me at almost every show i go to. Everyone there already makes fun of you
// Jan 17, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Even though I only saw a minute or so of the clip it disgusts me. How people can treat these animals with such cruelty, neglect and abuse is inexcusable. These horses are so frightened and few people care and are willing to help them. I applaud Pink in her efforts to stop this and I will join her in the fight.
// Jan 17, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Simply Horrific there is nothing the Greedy Man will not do! Ghetto bastards! They do this in denver also! This serves no purpose at all.
// Jan 17, 2008 at 4:26 pm
This is horrible, I’ve never been to New York, but I have been to Canada where they also have horse pulled carriages. These poor animals. I agree with the ban. I believe that these animals were put on this Earth to live in peace, not to become salves of humanity.
// Jan 17, 2008 at 4:21 pm
At SCRAPP – Human beings have choices – Animals DO NOT. They are at the mercy of dumb Humans and are forced to do stuff they wou;dn’t normally do. You can’t argue with that!
// Jan 17, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I’ve been raised with horses and I live in a rural area. They like people and enjoy being ridden almost as much as the rider enjoys riding them.
The problem is not the horses or the carriages. The problem is the City. Cities are destroying our mother earth, not horse-drawn carriages. Auto pollution is destroying our mother earth, not horse drawn carriages. Pedestrians are hit by cars more often than are horses.
Cities and everything that comes with them are a plague on the earth, not horse drawn carriages. Urbanization needs to stop now!
Ban New York City!
// Jan 17, 2008 at 11:42 am
WOW!!! Holy shit people, listen to all this bitching. We should learn how to love one another as much as we love these animals. All of us here claim to love animals, even the people who do not support the banning of this “tradition”. Let people have their opinion, at least they watched the video, that is a start. Mabey you should work on loving your self and your brothers and sisters along with the animals!! Especially you “God” “Jesus” loving people, how can you love God if you don’t love your brothers and sisters, isn’t that kind of hypocritical? Anyway ONE LOVE, lets all keep doing what we can to make this world a better place.
// Jan 17, 2008 at 11:04 am
I’m sorry for all animals but for sure, we need ideas to really solve the problem and put them in action.
It’s not good enough to say it; we have to stand up for ours and for others rights!
And now please, do not considerer an attack; I’m just sharing information.
I found this article interesting and surprising because I didn’t knew PETA’s kill there animals, they call it Euthanized.
In 2006, an official report from PETA shows that they had 97% kill rate.
Nothing is static, things are changing all the time, our reality it’s changing all the time, because it depends on what information do we have, what do we know.
If we will support PETA or not it doesn’t matter, what it matters is whatever we decide, we never stop looking for more and more information.
And that search never ends…
// Jan 17, 2008 at 8:34 am
I live in Malta and we also have horse drawn carriages in our city. All in the name of tradition and tourism. It’s disgusting. These poor animals are out in the blistering heat-waves that hit our islands for 3/4 of the year. No shades (artificial or trees) are offered to the horses and no water wot-so-ever. when the local council decided to put up “tents”, where the horses could rest, away from the scorching sun, the stupid carriage drivers left their horses just outside the tents and sat in the shade themselves. this is what i call pure evil, selfishness and an excellent specimen of brain-less human beings
// Jan 17, 2008 at 12:39 am
This is disgusting a bloody outrage some poeple in the world just dont give a F#%k about somebody or something elses feelings. I bet these people wouldnt srap on a carrige to there children, mother son or who ever when they have just done this to something else’(the horses) mother, child or whatever. this should be illegal. im in Australia and these so called fun romantic carrige rides are in the cities here to and the horses look hot, bothered, annoyed, depressed, sad, while some jurk sits on there ass whipping the shit out of them maybe the shoe should be on the other foot.
If this makes a difference in new york than i hope it reaches the rest of the world especially Australia because i dont want to see this anymore.
Kelsea JESUS LIVES
// Jan 17, 2008 at 12:13 am
wow its 1 in the morning. i cant get this out of my head. i love horses. i love animals. i am pro-animal anti-human. i see some of the comments that you people leave on here and it just gives me ALOT more reason to hate people. people only care about them selves. people like Courtney (who is only 13 not to mention) cares not only for herself but for other living creatures that feel pain and have feelings. You rest think horses are dirt. that horse you are talkin shit on is NO different than you at all. just remember not only will you be punished here on earth for making $ off abusing animals but you will also be punished after you die for what chaos you have caused in making the world what it is. have fun in your lonely rotting cell in hades. which will be thrown into the lake of fire which if you didnt already know is biblical and a metaphor for being separated from God The Father for ETERNITY!
// Jan 16, 2008 at 11:15 pm
there must be a few people out there who actaully take good care of their horses, but i’m sure they are few and far between. This is the same as people getting rid of their large dogs becasue they live in a small apartment or they work too long of hours. its not fair to the animal. i have been to new york and its a beautiful historic city. this has had its place and now is not the time for this to be around anymore. i think if there were a way to limit where the horses could be and the number of them there might be a reasonable compromise. but this would be very hard to regulate and new york doesnt have a lot of extra green space that is quiet. in kansas city they have theses horses as well but they are only out seasonly, in the plaza, low travel area vehicle wise. it is mostly foot trafic during these seasons. they horses are not as smothered and have a farm to go home to, not a stall in the upstairs of a run down building. its not right to have a huge horse in the city.
// Jan 16, 2008 at 11:12 pm
wow I never knew it was like this. Poor horses
// Jan 16, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Stop the animal abuse, they are not supposed to be in the hectic city with all these traffics, they are animal belong to the farms and the pasture, domestic horse is a kinda abuse, and it is ” civilization” brings mechanism in the 21 century, people should stop abusing animals for bringing the $. Imagine to bring your kids on the street selling matches or bread like the ancient times in this heavy traffic real world.. IT just doesn’t work!!!!! put them in the safe place, i suggest them keep the tradition inside the central park , a more protected areas for the animals resemmbling the past is good.. but with amore thoughtful way, it will be a Win-win situation and save for the public, and save the horses .. they are NO slave.. wake up !!!! we are in the 21 century!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
// Jan 16, 2008 at 6:10 pm
If you aren’t educated on the subject of horses, please do not comment on what you THINK you know. I have to dissagree with some of your comments. Horses are not meant to have equipment strapped to their bodies in order to tug around heavy loads. They are meant to live in wide, open, earthen grounded habitats no matter what species they are. The environment that these carriage horses are forced to live in is very unnatural and can be more than harming to them. Asphalt and cement are much too hard for a horse to constantly walk on and may result in lameness which can be a bitch to correct. Trust me, I own horses. Plus, blinders are very dangerous to put on horses because they block their peripheral vision which is the only vision horses really have due to their nature of being a prey animal. Having a keen peripheral vision can aid a prey animal in scouting out predators while they graze.(When in their natural habitat, obviously.) Since their eyes are on the side of their heads, they have an inconvienent blind spot in front of their face, making it even more difficult to see where they are going, especially when manuevering in a busy street. Not to mention that these carriage pulling horses are usually over worked and worn down and do not have the needed interaction with other horses other than their neighboring stalls. So please do not support this form of transportation. It is dangerous, unkind, and unhealthy to the horses.
Take a taxi. The ponies will thank you. :]
// Jan 16, 2008 at 6:00 pm
WE HAVE NO RIGHT AT ALL to take horses and use them for our enetertainment. if you want entertainment turn on your brainwashing tv. these poor horses face pollution, the nasty elements, exhaust fumes, abuse, hunger, thirst, exhaustion, cars, pedestrians, loud noises, and hard pavement. They are scared!! they dont know what to do when all this is going on in NYC! plus that is a VERY NASTY place! Paint it whatever color you want it is still RUST!!!!!! NYC is EVIL! RUST! EWW!! and still, these horses pull people around all day long while suffering for the benefit of the drivers. these horses get almost nothing in return for their hard work! there is proof that horses are suffering- horses are dying and getting into accidents because they are so overworked! and we call this a tourist attraction?!? please, stop this now!! where is the peace in this????
// Jan 16, 2008 at 5:51 pm
BAN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS CRUELTY!!! HORSES have feelings and a spirit just like HUMANS DO! belive it or not. oh not to mention………GOD loves these horses more than you stupid people that think this is not cruelty. whats more important here???? heaven or burning in the burning lake of sulfer for ETENITY!!!? you pick. it is WRONG!!!!! this is alll WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
// Jan 16, 2008 at 5:45 pm
yes, i am only 13 years old, as is another girl that commented.
i have been riding for 9 years now, and i know horses. i know that this is NOT what they are meant to do. riding a well cared for, and healthy horse is different, it does not hurt them, it exercises them, and they enjoy it. but putting a horse in a big city, where there are loud cars, toxic fumes, and taunting people is more then cruel. it’s disgusting, and sick.
to people like stacey… you spend most of your life with these beautiful animals, and THEN try and say the same thing that you have said.
people like you disgust me. think before you talk. use logic.
it’s not only that they might get hit by cars, but it slowly ruins them. breathing in all those fumes, and walking on pavement all day…
so to people like stacey, YOU can take off your shoes, and walk barefoot through NYC all day, and THEN you’ll know.
// Jan 16, 2008 at 5:32 pm
MOST ALL OF YOU PEOPLE that have posted something on this are wrong. PINK is not wrong. She is doing a GREAT thing for these poor horses. she is in the same boat i am. horse drawn carriages were meant for the 1800′s and even then they were NOT treated with respect. NOT NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this world is SICK! i hate it. Just like Jesus hated it when HE walked here 2000 or so years ago. He is fed up and one day this will all come to a STOP! God is slow to anger and I am for SURE that this disgusting messed up suicide bombing, raping little kids, abusing and torturing innocent animals, WORLD will come to an END soon!!
// Jan 16, 2008 at 5:25 pm
PETA lets start by saying what if there was no PETA? PETA does not show only the bad that goes on they show the TRUTH that only God knows. Animal abuse is without a doubt WRONG. THAT is why i support PETA 100%!!!! people and animals are the same as in the fact that we both feel PAIN! we both SUFFER! we both DIE! we both have FEELINGS! we both have a SPIRIT! BUT (theres always a but) ANIMALS can NOT for the life of them say NO! we can say owww that hurts!!! but animals birds reptiles fish everything under the sun that is alive and has a brain feels pain. People can try to fight and we people can say NO!!!!!!!!!! stop!!!!! it hurts!!!!!! animals CANNOT SPEAK! hello people lets change this FUCKED up animal cruelty WORLD! and if we cant than i can not wait til GOD (JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF) comes back and consumes everythinig with the fire of His FIERCE WRATH! (FIRE!!!!! )GOD is watching and He is JUST! that means all animals that do go through hell here on earth will without a doubt have an amazing HEAVEN waiting for them. and for those STUPID ASS PEOPLE that comit this horrifying unGODly things to these POOR oh so POOR innocent animals will NOT go unpunished. Thats why he made a HELL! yes HELL is alive and people (NOT ANIMALS) go there to be tortured for ETERNITY!!!!!
// Jan 15, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Agreed!!! Im 16, but i am exrtemely vocal about my veiws on animal rights and PETA.. But like others and I have said, PETA is only showing the bad in this film. How is any organization that throws dead dogs in a dumpster for “animal rights” be fine? And the horses may be mixed, but the cabbies KNOW what their horses are capable of pulling. Most of the horses are mixed with a large draft horse and a large warmblood such as a Perchron and a Warmblood cross. The reason for this is to cut down on the amount of feed needed to keep the horses fit. Also, cross breeding is also used for hooves easier to keep. Many farriers wont shoe or trim a draft horses feet thus causing many problems in the horses. Cross breeding also results on flashier horses and sometimes better action.
If you think they should ban carting, what about mounted police? Theyre actually IN DANGER!!!! Buty what wold happen if we didnt have them in the city? Like somebody said, way more horses are killed in other sports and even just pasture horses… should we ban gophers from digging in our pastures? Or banning G-D from making it rain on a racetrack? I hear PETA say that the animals have been here longer.. soooo.. get rid of the cars!!!! But i am NOT a fan of PETA.. They manipulate people into thinking the way they do… GET OVER IT!!!!!
ps… what does 3rd world countries have to do with “blinders”??
a REAL horse person
// Jan 15, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Before all of you jump on the gun and join what you think are the “moral” anti-carriage horse organizations; perhaps you should stop and think for a second. The people who own those horses are just trying to provide for themselves. Im NOT defending them however. I’m just getting to the point that if they are out of a job, then they can’t pay to care for their horses. I guarantee upon the ban of horse-drawn carriage rides that at least 90% of those horses who can’t be financed by their owners will not be wanted and will be shipped to a slaughterhouse outside of the United States. Yes, this still happens. The previous horse slaughter prevention act only shut down the three plants in the U.S, but didn’t prevent transportation of horses. Instead of watching this clip for a minute or two and writing an immature little statement saying how awful and horrible things are, why don’t you all get up off your asses and try to find a real solution to the problem that would actually benefit the horses, and wouldnt simply make you feel like you’ve done something good for a little while.
// Jan 15, 2008 at 3:41 pm
What can I say – get a life. Put things in perspective – I heard about a car that got stuck inside a wall a few years back, and it was the breaking news subject on CNN. 5 reporters waited 2 days for the cat to be rescued… This “horsie” case gives me flashbacks and makes it clear for me that some people just put things into a perspective? How many of your guys eat beef btw? Maybe you should look into how the thousands of cows that die every day in the US are killed (I´ve seen this and trust me… it puts things in perspective).
// Jan 15, 2008 at 11:16 am
That’s not correct!
I think they should have a park or so where’s no cars and so. they shoud have a own street for them. in a romantic place where it is quiet.
// Jan 14, 2008 at 8:40 pm
I am a huge animal rights person, and this bugs me, but think about this…
way more horses die every week from breaking a leg racing that they do pulling carriages in NYC.
Way more horses die steeple chasing and jumping. In the horse racing industry, the animals are worth so much in insurance that people have murdered them for profit. So you say ban all horse sports? why not, if the others are just as if not more dangerous? Dogs get hit by cars every day, lets ban cars. we can’t protest and ban everything… its obnoxious.
think about it
// Jan 14, 2008 at 4:10 pm
I’m 13. And yes. I may be young. But I’m not stupid. When I went to Egypt with my dad last summer, there was so much cruelty its unbelievable. They had horses everywhere and dogs lying in the trash sleeping. People treated the animals like crap. The horses were so skinny, and beat up, I cried. But they kept telling me “thats normal”. I never believed them. Cause the horses I see around here in Texas are NOT like that. We went riding horses in the desert near the pyramids and I felt terrible. These horses hooves were in bad shape, they had droopy faces and eyes, scars all over them, skinny and much more. We rode them through the streets and in the sand. When we began to gallop them, I saw in the distance a thing on the ground, as I got closer, I saw it was a horse corpse. My horse galloped RIGHT OVER IT. I cried. Again. And of course, they said nothing about it. I was so shocked by the cruelty, I couldnt stand it. So. DONT GO TO 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CRUELTY. Also my father said that they cannot afford to take care of them properly, but by giving horse rides in the desert is their living. And thats all the, money they get. Its sad to see such things in the world, we may not stop all of it, but we can do something about it in our own backyard.
// Jan 14, 2008 at 4:07 pm
OMG! PETA is the most retarded thing sometimes. I mean i support the fact that they help animals that are actually being abused. but this?! stacey and those like her are right. They were bred for this shit people. and to all of u who are saying we should strap on saddles and carry heavy loads…THAT”S WHY WE HAVE HORSES!!!! god u people can’t see reason
// Jan 14, 2008 at 8:22 am
Wow. Let’s put some perspective on this, shall we?
PETA is a fine organization and I support it, but not everything is cruel or inhumane.
These horses are perfectly happy pulling heavy loads as that is what they were bred to do. But these are not “draft” horses. Anyone who knows their horse breeds knows these are not “draft” horses. Some/most of them appear to be mutts/mixed breeds.
Horses can tolerate snow/sleet/rain just fine. It won’t turn them into salt pillars or freeze them into the ground, contrary to poplar belief.
Horses were not bred to, and have no burning desire to “run free” and are therefore not a version of free willy. They are extremely social creatures and very much enjoy human company. However, they are not toys to be abused and they put their trust in us for their care and for us to love and enjoy a relationship with.
That remaining, horses were not bred to pull heavy loads in a disgusting city like NYC, and certainly not being run over by obnoxious taxi cab drivers…I can’t believe what I was seeing!
GET THOSE HORSES OUT OF NYC! They do not belong there. Not now, not ever! It is not a safe environment for them, much less for humans. I’m not attacking anyone personally because it’s NOT ABOUT THAT. IT’S ABOUT THE HORSES.
It’s about their suffering. Look at the video and you tell me they are not suffering.
Don’t argue about whether or not the horses want to pull carriages – that’s NOT RELEVANT, so please, take that argument some place else.
Keep it on track and keep it real. Keep it about the suffering the horses are going through. See them getting hit by stupid taxi drivers? See them being spooked by all the crap in a city that is the normal goings on of a city?
Horses don’t belong in a city which is why, in most cities, horses are BANNED on city streets for the safety of the motorists and the horses. COMMON SENSE, for the safety of the everyone.
Do we ban dog fighting?
Then why not ban horse carriages in all cities?
Same thing…animals get hurt.
People get hurt, too.
Use your heads for something more than to argue with other people with. It’s not a “tradation”. I won’t flame NY’ers Denise. You are safe from me, for the time being, unless you stop this now.
I can’t believe your taxi drivers actually HIT THESE POOR HORSES! You should be proud NYC!
Prolonging The Magic
// Jan 13, 2008 at 8:22 pm
In a perfect world yes these horse carriages should be banned. I am in the horse racing industry and it is incredibly hard to find someone to take a horse so it can run careless through a field all day… NYC needs to put more regulations on the carriage owners and heavily fine them when they do something wrong, but banning them is not the solution… Perhaps make part of central park a turn-out field and regulate how much time a horse spend pulling the carriages is a step in a better direction then having them banned completely because the horses fate might be much worse…
// Jan 13, 2008 at 6:25 pm
id have to agreed with it being banned with in the city, horse accidents and them getting frightened does seem to be a problem, if they were able to stay with in a park, like a secluded stated park it would be nice.
// Jan 13, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Surely the problem is not the horse, but the other traffic. So ban motorised transport from the city and create a safe environment for horses and people alike. Then you’ll have a truly pleasant and peaceful city that is really worth visiting. The car is not worth displacing everything which pre-existed.
// Jan 13, 2008 at 3:26 pm
there are always exceptions. how many car acciedents are there a year? how many people die from car accidents in a year? i would bet alot more that compared to horse carrige accidents. there are always exceptions but most horse owners value and respect their horses. i have a horse i ride him on roads. a friend of mine has been in a accident with her horse on a road. it wasnt her fault. cars should be more careful. horse carriges are not inhumane at all. PETA is a joke.
// Jan 13, 2008 at 2:19 pm
LOLOL…a resort in the country for the horses to roam around on…oh how lovely…and while we’re at it, can we toss in a mansion on the beach for me? And maybe a disney world for the homeless of the city…that sounds splendid, does it not?
What are you, 6 years old? WAKE UP!! Life is not a resort, and if it is, then someone needs to pay for it. I’d much rather se the money go to the families of the dead and wounded troops fighting for you freedom to spew such nonsense from your cancered brain out your childish mouth. Or at least treatment facilities for the mentally unbalanced homeless.
In either case, why not put your energy and time towards helping your own species?! Take a walk down any street in the city and within 20 minutes you’re sure to see a HUMAN BEING who needs help. Get a grip and make yourself useful to the human race.
// Jan 13, 2008 at 1:04 pm
hmmmmmmmmmmm…. i think that horses should be kept. PETA is known for spreading propaganda like that. The horses are trained to bee un-spooky. Yes, know that everybodys goin to say.. “well no horse can be totally not spooky!!” Yes, that is true!!Ive heard of normally good horses that are carting that caused accidents because of PETA activists that threw firecrackers under them or other extreme things to scare them and prove their point. Think about it. Are you going to eagerly absorb everything that PETA says, or form your own opinions? but in the reality of things, the horses are well taken care of. How many potintal customers want to ride with a a cabbie with poorly taken care of animals. None. The horses thave special shoes to prevent lameness, and if the horse did become lame, the cabbie would either be ticketed, or he would let the horse recover. The cabbing business doesnt bring in as much as a taxi, so the cabbie can not afford to pay a fine for a stupid ass mistake like runing the horse when it is hot, or having sores from the harness, and not providing enough shelter for the animals. Also, the horses that pull the carts are bred down fom gererations of work to pull carts that weigh so much more than the light dog carts and a few people. It doesnt bother them. Some of you people are soooo full of it. I mean, an animal cant vote, so why treat it like a human? Im not saying i hate animals, i love them, but i define abuse as one or more of the following for horses;
2. Not providing shelter.
3. Not providing Vetranary care when needed.
4. Riding/carting when lame.
There are more, but you possibly get the idea. Horses are working animals. Overworking is cruel, but you will either go to jail, or be fined.
And as for the bits and whips, The bits are NOT shoved into the horses mouth as you might say, but it is done in a very gentle way by placing you thumb in the corner of its mouth and pushing it (gently) inside encouraging the horse to open its mouth and accept the bit. The Bit is as harsh as its rider. Stick a chainsaw blade in there with a good rider and get a light contact with the mouth, with the same preciceness of an easy bit with the same rider. The whips? HA they dont beat the horses, whips are just an exentention of the arm to encourage the horse, not beat it. Just get off the PETA train. And dont you know celebs mostly only assicoate themselves with PETA for more publicity? “I fight for animals.. maybe more people will love me!!” NOT.. i think its ubsurd.
// Jan 13, 2008 at 9:15 am
I can’t believe that any one that has watched this clip has not been emationaly moved.The city is no place for a horse.If we are worried about bringing more money to the city from torest then WE need to think about having a resort in the country for horses where they can rome more freely when they are not carring uneducated fools around.It makes me so mad that people choose money over the well being of an animal.
// Jan 12, 2008 at 4:14 pm
ewww god thats sick
poor horses =[
why don’t humans use there friging legs for once.
lazy shits some people are.
// Jan 12, 2008 at 2:41 pm
7 things you did not know about Peta & how it kills over 90% of the animals it takes in, instead of finding them new homes:
// Jan 12, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Anyone who thinks that Peta has even a tiny bit of brains is insane. Don’t be fooled by this crazy organization – if it were up to them, there would be no pet ownership of any kind – not even seeing eye dogs for the blind.
Peta is made up of psychos who support terrorists like the Animal Liberation Front! Those people firebomb research centers!!
Get a grip and wake up to the fact that animals are not what you see in Disney movies!
And that Peta is made up of psycho hypocrites who actually kill 90% of the animals they take in!! And one of the top people there is diabetic and uses insulin gathered from horses, yet says that no animal use of any kind should exist!!
Don’t believe it? Watch Penn & Teller’s Bullshit on Peta.
What a bunch of two faced pieces of shit you are, Peta!! Crazy, psycho, pieces of shit who kill animals left and right…you don’t give two fucks about animals!
// Jan 12, 2008 at 11:33 am
we dont have the right to take horses and use them for our enetertainment. these poor horses face pollution, the elements, exhaust fumes, abuse, hunger, thirst, exhaustion, cars, pedestrians, loud noises, and hard pavement. and still, these horses pull people around all day long while suffering for the benefit of the drivers. these horses get almost nothing in return for their hard work! there is proof that horses are suffering- horses are dying and getting into accidents because they are so overworked! and we call this a tourist attraction?!? please, stop this now!!
// Jan 11, 2008 at 1:42 pm
hey stacey after i read your comment without watching the clip i knew you are full of bullshit…and you know what i wish to you and your loved ones??that for the rest of your lives to have awful jobs,not to know what freedom is,and all this just for survival,i mean,water ,food and a cage called home.and you know what most frustrated to be…that all the people around you to believe that you like what you do and not give you a hand.but probably this won’t happen cause you live in a civilised country,and still you act and think like a primitive person.that’s a shame really
// Jan 11, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I love Pink and I am glad that she is putting her time into a cause. Exploiting anything is wrong. I agree, the draft horse is a work animal, but New York is hardly the environment for them to perform their task. Traffic, exhaust, over stimulation, and I am sure a large degree of abuse are not the reward that these animals deserve for their noble strength and beauty. Best wishes and thanks Pink, for standing up for the rights of these animals.
// Jan 11, 2008 at 8:58 am
Also everyone knows that PETA is only gonna show the bad parts… I.E. they wont show you where most of the horses are kept, in NICE places. Most horses are carted in and out of town so they can have a place to actually be a horse. DUH, you people need to take yalls BLINDERS off.
// Jan 11, 2008 at 8:54 am
This is apauling that people would actually be dumb enough to spend money o a film such as this. GET A F*****G LIFE!!! Seriously, Stacy and I think Shannon?… Are completly right. I have grom up around these animals all my life and they are right. What should be outlawed is the dumb A***S at PETA.
// Jan 11, 2008 at 7:45 am
If you truely believe that horses enjoy carting
people’s lazy asses around all day long, and being trapped in a barn, or stable for their entire life, you are SADLY mistaken. Horses are animals, that deserve to run free just like WE are free. Why don’t you strap a carriage onto YOUR back and drag people around all day..
// Jan 11, 2008 at 6:33 am
Just because something has been done for hundreds of years doesn’t make it right. People have been murdering / raping / stealing for hundreds of years does that make it ok? Who gives us the right to “breed” animals for anything. Let alone do our work for us. Get your head out of your ass. They don’t “need” to work they need to be heathly and happy in a natural environment which doesnt happen to be a barn or a cage! Ban this now!! Its a black mark on a great city.
storm and kate
// Jan 11, 2008 at 3:34 am
what the fuck are you losers on who are saying that horses enjoy pulling carts? they aren’t meant to pull carts, they are meant to live in the wild and run around freely. Are you sayin all the exhaust fumes are a good thing for their lungs?
And being killed by car accidents is good ??
How is that nature ??
// Jan 10, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I agree with Stacey. Oh how I wish I could be a horse who made it out of the country and got to work in a big city! I would just love to be strapped to a carriage all day and be surrounded by speeding automobiles, their exhaust, and all those wondrous foreign sounds. Oh the joy! And then after an honest 9 to 5 (okay, more like 7 to 11), I could go home and relax in my own personal cage that is just a tad bit bigger than my own body. I am so glad that there are people like Stacey in this world who perpetuate such treatment of horses. If not for human beings like her, no horse would ever get the chance to experience the wonder that is servitude in the best city in America!
// Jan 10, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I understand the number of you who believe that horse drawn carriages is not cruel, and just because PETA says its bad we all have to agree. And I, myself love the beautiful carriages and the horses that pull them around my city of Melbourne. Melbourne city is quiet, open and safe and the horses there are very much protected, cared for and safe.
New York City on the other hand is a place the horses should not be in. It may be okay for them to be driven around a park where there are no cars. But to have these horses out on the road, with the amount of traffic, and noise is OUTRAGEOUS! Just watching this video was enough to convince me, these horses have to endure all those toxic fumes, the fear of being hit by a car, and the loud noises. Horses hearing is more sensitive than ours, so hearing a car beep its horn, or the wailing of the firetruck siren, even the talking from the number of humans, or a car alarm is so much louder to the horse, its a wonder not more horses have spooked because of this.
Its a beautiful tradition, but not in a dangerous environment! Go to a country town or somewhere where there isn’t alot of cars.
GET THE HORSES OUT OF NEW YORK CITY.
// Jan 10, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Stacey you bitch, i’m pretty the horses don’t like being locked up in seclusion and beaten to drive some fat ass people around and get hit buy cars in the bustle of new york city, wake up and don’t be such a fucking dumbass.
// Jan 10, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Some traditions are just not worth the pain that it brings. This not only hurts the horses that live this way, it hurts countless people to see it happen. I thought living a compassionate lifestyle wasn’t just for animals but for all species, including your neighbor, or another miles away. We, as humans, have so much within us to correct our follies and conquer our battle with ignorant and illogical notions, to wipe the slate clean, like ridding selfish traditions like this–and move on to create a more beautiful world. Perhaps one day, if we make the right choices, we might be able to have free-roaming horses again. It has to start with wisdom and compassion. I support the ban on carriage rides. If you want to ride in a carriage…ride in one that has a HUMAN pulling it on a bicycle. Peace and love to all.
// Jan 10, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Not only that but all you people who claim to be such “experienced horse riders” should learn more about the animals you’re riding. Maybe you’d have more respect for them and their needs. I have been riding horses for 13 years and have been educating myself in everything there is to know about them for at least 15 years. Anyone riding these animals should at least know enough to understand that certain breeds of horses were intended for and enjoy doing certain things. Draft horses like work, quarter horses like their ranch work and running (bred for racing 1/4 mile lengths) and warmbloods were bred for and generally enjoy the sporting events that they are used for. Horses are like dogs in that they enjoy pleasing people!
// Jan 10, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Christ! You people think just because PETA supports this it MUST be true right? DO YOUR RESEARCH! Learn to understand the animals. Draft horses, the horses used to pull carriages usually, NEED the work, they were bred for it. Ever seen an ad for Budweiser with their clydesdale team? Yeah it’s tradition, draft horses being used for heavy labor goes back for hundreds of years because that is what the animal is meant for! The carriage drivers love their horses, the horses are like pets to them. These animals are respected and treated like kings and queens. I agree with Stacey. If you want to ban a tradition involving horses, ban thoroughbred racing!!!!!! That involves cruelty. Not carriage horses.
// Jan 10, 2008 at 8:16 am
How the hell can you call this creulty?? Beleiv it or not, these horses are loving their jobs. You expect to just throw them in a feild and let them rot or something?? I have lost all respect for PINK for so bluntly trying to stop carriage rides. She obviously knows nothing about how well these horses are treated and how much their safety is put as a first priority. Large drafts are bred to be work horses, and they love it. They are spoiled, and treated more like humans than any other type of horse I know. If you want to support banning something, Ban racing. Thats something that actually has creulty in it. Get a life people. And do more research than watching a stupid documentary that only shows bad. You people are so ignorant.
// Jan 10, 2008 at 1:28 am
how would people like being put through this constant pain?. it is sooooooo wrong!
// Jan 9, 2008 at 10:02 pm
I own draft horses who were trained to pull farm equipment and carriages (I have a team of two). I have driven carriage rides through the fields of a mountain farm. So I speak as someone who has a vested interest in the carriage ride industry should I ever choose to pursue this for a living. These horses need work. They need to have jobs and they get a big kick out of a job well done. That being said…I cannot for the LIFE of me imagine the hell a carriage horse’s life would be in a big city like that. Rubber shoes can do a lot to help a horse’s feet on pavement, but just the stop and go of traffic alone would cause neck aches, shoulder pain and back pain. Add to that no pasturing, inadequate housing, tailpipes spewing filth into their faces all day and god only knows WHAT else is just a recipe for a hellish existence. I have never been to NYC, and I had pictured carriage rides in the park away from rush hour traffic. Speaking as a carriage driver, I AM APPALLED!!!!!!!
// Jan 9, 2008 at 3:41 pm
ban it now.
// Jan 9, 2008 at 3:18 pm
As a horse owner, this is astonishing that we as Americans allow something so cruel. Horses are such loyal and loving, devoted animals, and to allow them to work endless hours with little water and extreme confusion is rediculous
// Jan 9, 2008 at 3:17 pm
You people have no sense of reality. “Evil horsey rides from hell” Dear God, please set some sense into these people.
// Jan 9, 2008 at 1:41 pm
MYSELF am finds completely of the abuse with the animals.believe that at times is abused and tries to do that the animals entertain or they be simply imágen etc. …..No I understand is sought it many times the enrichment of a few but at the cost of that????
// Jan 9, 2008 at 11:43 am
this is outraging why cant pepole see whats happenening to there poooor horses!
// Jan 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Cause Renee you Twat this is the 21st century not the 18th. Humans are now self sufficient enough not to use animals for anything anymore. Not for food, clothing, transportation, or farming assistants. We have develop better and healthier solutions to these things. To continue using animals for any of these reason is fucking stupid. Its just a waste of money and causing more traffic problems. And show not all traditions are worth keeping. Time to look towards the future and get over the past.
// Jan 8, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Those horses must be in consent pain since walking on pavement alone with those hooves is agonizing. If it was in the park and no where else it shouldn’t be a problem. Paved dirt roads and a descent ranch with proper horse housing and care.
// Jan 8, 2008 at 4:17 pm
I personally don’t have anything against carriage rides. So, people don’t have to worry about losing tradition… just keep it out of busy cities. NYC is too industrialized for an animal that was meant to be given space and fresh air in the world. There are plenty of areas in New York state that have pastures and open fields. Those places are where carriage rides belong. Those places are safer for the animals. Those places are humane without being radical.
// Jan 8, 2008 at 3:54 pm
THEY SHOULD TOTALLY BAN THIS!
I AM A HIGHLY EXPERIENCED HORSE RIDER.AND FIND THIS OUTRAGING !
THEY SHOULD PUT THIS VIDEO ON ONE OF THOSE BIG TVS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY
// Jan 8, 2008 at 1:53 pm
I’m from the south, where we KNOW how to treat horses. When I made a trip to NYC and walked past a line of carriages in Central Park waiting for customers, I was absolutely disgusted. Any idiot can tell that they are far from happy and healthy as well as being in constant danger with NYC traffic.
// Jan 8, 2008 at 7:22 am
Donna, Larry, Pardon my french, but please don’t feed us this bull-dung. Whatever the case may be, here’s the point: No matter if these horses are well kept, groomed, fed daily, etc. They are still in grace danger by walking around the city as if they were actual vehicles. They are living animals which are SUPPOSED to live in their wild environment; they are MADE for that type of environment. Horses don’t have engines, they don’t have weels, they have brains, stomachs, intestines, as us. Because we sure would look quite fine pulling a carriage ourselves, huh? For the mere sake of human luxury, we continue this inhumane treatment of horses. I’m one to see, to believe, and see for a while, because once isn’t enough for me. We’re not living in the 18th century here, people, we live in the 21st. 2008 – sorry to burst your bubble. I support this petition. Ahhh, humans, what a beautiful race you have turned out to be.
// Jan 8, 2008 at 4:05 am
hhmm…. I think the movie seems abit to dramatic…
// Jan 8, 2008 at 2:31 am
animals should not be used for entertainment of humans, EVEN if they are well taken care off. They should not be inhaling fumes all day, and risk their lives out there in traffic. We, as humans, wouldnt want that either.
no thank youu
// Jan 7, 2008 at 9:45 pm
you people. are so so so STUPID..do you realllyy think, that in our day and age, that there are WILD, roaming, running through the trees with a rainbow over their heads, horses? like. do you think thats even possible? if you wanted pretty little forests and butterflies in our life, you would either A go to a wildlife facilitity or national park, or B kill all of mankind and tear everything down and plant trees and wait a few years, and then THAT is your idea of perfection. its a small small amount of horses on farms with loving families. its even smaller the ones in the carrage buisness. the others..they go to the SLAUGHTER house. dont you think the ones with jobs ARE a bit lucky?
// Jan 7, 2008 at 1:25 pm
It’s also wrong to subject them to an urban environment like New York City. The city has changed just a bit since the 19th century!
// Jan 7, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I can’t believe you all think this is cruel. Are animals supposed to live in luxury that a great deal of citizens don’t even get. No, I do not agree with abuse, torture, or neglect of any animal but to say that because accidents happen involving horses and vehicles we should ban carriage rides is ridiculous. Perhaps the annoying cabbies and drivers of the streets of NY should be more cautious of pedestrians and yes, even animals. Learn to drive defensively, safely, and always be on the lookout for everything. That’s how I drive and I have a completely clean MVR and I’ve never ran over a horse.
// Jan 7, 2008 at 10:40 am
Donna, the whole point is that animals shouldn’t be used for anything. They are not ours to use. To say a horse is lucky to have a job is ridiculous. Lucky for you. Not lucky for an animal that was meant to live a life as they want without fear of being slaughtered or being a money making machine for individuals such as yourself. Yeah, you’re a real saint.
// Jan 7, 2008 at 9:31 am
get over your self it does not hurt them. horse like to work they are made to pull thing. how come it was ok back then but not now.
// Jan 7, 2008 at 8:02 am
BTW–The link is at the top of this page
// Jan 7, 2008 at 8:01 am
Please visit Donny Moss’s youtube page and make a comment! The carriage horse industry has said some explosive things, exposing them for what they are–cruel and exploitative.
// Jan 7, 2008 at 7:59 am
let me just kill all people who does animal creulty its fair that if we can hurt animals we can hurt humans because we are also under the catergory of animal!
// Jan 7, 2008 at 7:58 am
I HAVE BEEN A PROFESSIONAL HORSEMAN FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS. HORSES WORKING IN THE URBAN AND CITY AREAS LIVE LONG HEALTHY LIVES…PROVIDED THEY HAVE A CARING, EDUCATED, LAW ABIDING OWNER.
fOR THOSE OF YOU CONCERNED ABOUT HORSES AND WEATHER..PLEASE STAY OUT OF THE WEST SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH HORSES LIVING WILD IN THE DESERT SUN OR WINTER SNOWS…GOD FORBID YOU THINK ABOUT OUR LOCAL PUMAS USING ONE FOR A FEW MEALS. THESE HORSES LIVE AND FEED IN DESERT TO MOUNTAIN RANGELANDS AND ARE VERY WELL ADAPTED TO IT.
HORSES WORKING SHOULD BE ON A 4 -6HR ROUTINE, SPECIAL SHOES ARE USED OR SHOULD BE DEMANDED BY ny LAW FOR HORSES ON THE STREET . THESE KEEP THEM FROM SLIPPING AND THE PROVIDE CUSHION FOR THE FEET. hORSES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN CITY OR UBAN AREAS UNLESS THEY HAVE OPEN AIR CORRALS OR AREAS FOR FREE TURN OUT AND EXERCISE! AS FAR AS THE “HARD” WORK…GIVEN A HORSE IS ON A 4-6 HR WORK SHIFT…THE ONLY WORK PART OF PULLING WHEELED WAGONGS ETC. LIKE THESE IS THE INITIAL START. ON THE FLAT OR NEAR FLAT HORSES USE VERY LITTLE ENERGY WHEN BUGGIES OR CARRIAGES ARE ROLLING! ITS JUST A MATTER OF HOW THEY WHERE DESIGNED TO BE USED OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
THE WORRY AND SAD THING WITH HORSE OWNERSHIP IS LIKE ALL…ALL ANIMALS HAVING TO BE OWNED OR INVOLVED WITH HUMANS, IGNORANT PEOPLE AND WORSE YET PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO BELIEVE THEY DO NOT FEEL AND BLEED AS WE DO !!! HOME OWNERS AND THEIR KIDS THAT NEARLY OR DO RUN OR WORK THEM TO DEATH ON A STURDAY WHILE THEY SIT AROUND OUT OF SHAP THE REST OF THE WEEK OR MONTH. TRAINERS THAT ” HANG THEM, BLEED THEM, DOPE THEM, GATED HORSES BEING SORED OR SPIKED”
US RACING INDUSTRY RUNNING HORSES AS 2YR OLDS NOT FULLY DEVELOPED.
ANIMALS ARE GREAT COMPANIONS AND WORK PARTNERS DONT GET WHAT THEY ARE DOING MIXED UP WITH STUPID OWNERS AND / OR LACK OF PROACTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT. YOUR CARRIAGE HORSES LIKE YOUR POLICE MOUNTED UNITS CAN WORK JUST FINE WHEN WELL TRAINED HORSES ARE USED AND PROFESSIONAL HORSEMEN OR WOMEN ARE AT THE REINS !!
// Jan 6, 2008 at 9:29 pm
how cruel and self centered. we are a free country but this is clearly abusing our freedom. please stop and do not allow this horrific behavior to continue any more!
// Jan 6, 2008 at 7:02 pm
I highly doubt people are going to stop,
they dont care as long as they get a nice ride in the
carriage, and alot of people dont know mhow bad it is for
the horses, like until now, i never knew about
how they treated there horses.but after watching
this is it very ignorant for them to continue.
// Jan 6, 2008 at 5:37 pm
i had no idea this was happening! i knew there were horse drawn carriages in NYC but i didn’t realize how dangerous it was for the horses. that’s horrible. those poor horses r forced to breathe toxic fumes and compete with NYC rush hour as well as horrible weather conditions. this must be stopped!!!
// Jan 6, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I love NYC but this is just disgusting. Please contact the Mayor about this. Go to Peta.org. I wish there where other ways I can help. I hate this tradition. It is just stupid and cruel.
// Jan 6, 2008 at 3:30 am
horses are disgusting and unintelligent creatures,
so what if some die?
maybe if they had a brain they would act more bravely and not like the big babies that they are,
ohh a car door slammed,im gonna go get myself
killed cause im a horse and horses are fucking stupid!
and the fact that they shit all over fine citys like new york and chigaco just pisses me off,like can you retards be any more disgusting?
horses should be lined up and shot in the head,then cut up to make dog food and glue!
maybe when the end of the world comes these useless brutes will all die out,since they are so brainless they would probably cause their own deaths,just like they do when they are hooked to the carraige!
death to all horses!
// Jan 5, 2008 at 10:41 pm
I fully support this ban. I have been around horses my whole life, I am an American Farrier’s Association CERTIFIED Farrier, I work with horses every day and I am fully aware of the injuries and diseases a horse can aquire with a career on the pavement. I will cripple them. Get them off the street and into the fields, it makes me sick.
// Jan 5, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I also live in Chicago (I love it!) and I did the carriage ride once when I was a teen and it was planned ahead. My friend and I came with carrots for the horses and it seemed like that was the first time it ever had gotten any treats. It was so sad that I never got a carriage ride again, but I have given them carrots a couple other times, but I don’t go downtown often since I prefer the neighborhoods because the downtown traffic is too much for even me! Poor babies! I hope it gets banned in both NYC and Chicago!
// Jan 5, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Times are changing. All animals must be taken care of. As humans we have a responsibility to make sure animals are treated with compassion and respect. How sad to see humans being pulled by horses. Those large woman in the video need to be walking off some of that. It’s not fair to the horses to haul their large bodies around.
// Jan 5, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I have always loved animals, since the age of 2 and now I am 16 and still deeply vare for them. If adults can do this to animals, then they still need to grow up, I mean if this was happening to people, everyone would notice and try everything in their power to stop but everyone thinks “Oh they are just animals. They mut be happy” Do they look happy? For the people that think that need to take a long, hard look at themselves in the mirror and realise what pain and suffering really happens in this world today.
// Jan 5, 2008 at 11:31 am
I live in Chicago where we too have horse drawn carriages and have never and will never participate in this cruelty of animals. Let’s hope NYC bans this barbaric practice and hopefully Chicago will follow suit.
// Jan 3, 2008 at 12:06 pm
America is capitalist and greed is what overcomes this country. Our greed has become the sole driving-force of our people. These horses live in an eternal hell all for keeping up some sick image of what foreigners believe to be a magical New York City experience and to earn a couple dollars. Animals are not meant for entertainment and our pleasure and just because we can think critically does not give us the right to treat these animals inhumanely. We are a smart species and perhaps that is our advantage over animals, but we are by far the MOST selfish, greedy, and terrifying animals on this planet. We are ruining the very world we live in all for money and pleasure.
// Dec 29, 2007 at 12:11 pm
So sad, so sad to think that even after all this footage nothing will be done to stop these selfish american assholes who will do anything to make a buck, regardless of who or what they hurt.
// Dec 27, 2007 at 12:49 pm
THis is another example of “American Tradition” that exploits and abuses animals for the amusement and entertainment of people. We pay to get a momentary thrill and all the while these poor creatures are abused and exploited. We are so desensitized and numb to so much. I hope we can stop this. If we can take God’s name off of our money, then we can stop something like this!
// Dec 27, 2007 at 9:45 am
I agree. I think it is dispicable!!!! I always wondered before about how they were treated and I actually have done a horse and carriage ride in NYC. I will never, and I mean never do that again and never will I ever let any of my friends and family participate in this cruel act.
// Dec 26, 2007 at 9:59 pm
Utterly disgusting. I’ve had horses since I was little, and still do, it’s just horrible to see how some have to live. They aren’t made to be walking on pavement every day of their lives, it’s so hard on their body. I have nothing against competitive show driving, sleigh rides on farms, etc, but (please excuse my language) this is bullsh!t. I’ve seen carriages in San Antonio, what a shame. I HATE cities and I HATE carriages. I could rant on and on, but I don’t want to turn this into a novel. Ban this horse abuse! Put an end to the suffering!
// Dec 24, 2007 at 1:55 am
I have had sixteen horses in my lifetime and many were carriage ponies from San Fransico. Jack is one of them that i still have today and he is the best horse ever. If the chance comes to adopt a carriage horse do it. they are the best.
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// Dec 20, 2007 at 8:29 pm
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// Dec 20, 2007 at 3:40 pm
No horses are running around in any big citys in Europe…New York is one of the biggest citys…is just crazy how can this be happening after so many accidents and crazy traffic. I feel sick when I see these poors horses; you can see in their eyes how unhappy and scared they are. Not only are they working in horrible condition, when they get home…they can barely turn around..they live a life of hell: it needs to be stopped now it has already been going on for too long!
// Dec 20, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Horse-drawn carriages must be banned in New York City now!
// Dec 20, 2007 at 11:25 am
We need to stop people from making out of animals. These horse should be running in the nature, not between cars in the city.
We need the government to ban this!
// Dec 6, 2007 at 3:18 am
The only time the NYC carriage horses get out of their cramped cells is when they are hitched to a carriage. They should not be in NYC city streets at all. They are forced to compete with midtown traffic, breathing in bus fumes, work in the worst weather conditions, with little or no breaks. It’s a shitty life. I applaud the film maker of Blinders for documenting this so called NYC tradition, it’s time for it to end.
// Nov 8, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Group 1: DECENT, NORMAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO BACKGROUND ON OUR CARRIAGE BUSINESS, BUT ARE CONCERNED WITH ANIMAL WELFARE: Please consider that you are being manipulated by emotional, agenda-driven, 1-sided propaganda. I have been in the business for 25 years. Our safety and health records are EXCELLENT – something the humaniacs will never tell you. They are a matter of public record, and can be checked by anyone under the Freedom of Information Act. Traffic accidents – 2 shifts of 68 horses go out to work EVERY DAY, year in and year out – and in TWENTY FIVE YEARS, we have had exactly TWO traffic accidents that have resulted in equine fatalities. Our horses have better lives than alot of children in this city. They are housed, fed, groomed, shod, vetted, and LOVED. THOUSANDS of horses go to slaughter EVERY DAY in this country – a horse with a job is a lucky horse. I invite anyone with doubts to fact check, and to come out to 59th Street to observe and ask questions (please be friendly – we are attacked often). By the way, I have retired 3 carriage horses to loving forever homes in NY & NJ., as have many people in our industry.
Go to http://www.Petsalive.com to see some of them!!
GROUP 2: THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE “HORSE PEOPLE”, WHO HAVE HORSES – Shame on you. If you own a horse, and use it for any purpose whatever, you KNOW that risk is inherent. You KNOW that horses all over the world compete in all kinds of events, perhaps you are even involved in them yourself – show jumping, riding, polo, western events, carriage pleasure events, racing, the Olympics – and that injury and death HAPPEN. How would you like to be maligned, lied about, and attacked when YOUR horse gets injured? What makes you think that our horses are any less precious to us than your horses are to YOU? Not to mention that most of the horses going to slaughter in this country are horses such as the ones that YOU own, not carriage horses, which only account for a tiny segment of horses in use in this country – how do they get there, do you think? There is a definite hypocritical snob factor going on here, think about it.
GROUP 3: THE LYING,SINISTER HUMANIACS: You have caused much heartache, frustration, and rage. It is one of the worst feelings in the world to be unfairly portrayed & accused, misunderstood and maligned. You cannot portray decent, hard-working, normal families – who have homes, children, pets, and feelings just like anyone else – as monstrous, uncaring sub-humans forever without the truth floating to the top eventually. And that will happen, and we will survive, because we have the truth on our side.
It’s a round world, as they say. Your lies and venom will come back to haunt you one day – karma is most definitely a bitch.
// Nov 8, 2007 at 1:29 pm
it is not fair for horses! They dont deserve that treat!! IT IS NOT FAIR!
// Nov 5, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Jesus Christ. I have been walking by these horses for years and thought they look sad, but I had no idea.
// Nov 4, 2007 at 2:34 pm
I was waiting for a bus on Ninth Avenue one night in the freezing rain when a white carriage went by. I remember thinking how slippery it must be for the horse on the wet pavement. The bus I boarded immediately was in a traffic jam, held up for an hour. We slowly inched pass the wreck showed in this video. How sad that I saw the before and after of that fateful night.
Times have changed and horses don’t belong in NYC traffic…at all!
// Nov 3, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Society will remain in a constant barbaric state until things like these are banned. Shame. Shame on us, NYC.
// Nov 3, 2007 at 3:23 pm
This looks like an excellent film. NYC should absolutely outlaw this cruel treatment of animals. People outside of NY always think of Ny’ers as uncompassionate and self-centered. If we don’t ban the horse carriages we’re proving them right. I hope this film is seen by many people, but especially by the ones who can make a difference and stop this inhumane tradition!
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